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Do you like cakes? Always?

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Would a Muslim baker be expected to bake a cake with an anti-Muslim message on it for the wedding of a heterosexual couple from the Australian Defence League (or whatever they call themselves at the moment)?
Posted by Is Mise, Sunday, 19 November 2017 10:33:33 PM
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No, Is Mise, they wouldn’t.

The difference (and I'm sure the law would agree with me here) is that the message in your example is hateful, whereas there is nothing hateful about a gay wedding cake.

Similarly, I think an atheist group would have a difficult time suing a Christian baker because they refused to make a cake with a message that Christians would find offensive. Now, had the cake simply been about celebrating atheism, that would probably be a different matter.

I don't think reverse discrimination is an issue here.

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Posted by AJ Philips, Sunday, 19 November 2017 11:13:19 PM
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//Would a Muslim baker be expected to bake a cake with an anti-Muslim message on it for the wedding of a heterosexual couple from the Australian Defence League (or whatever they call themselves at the moment)?//

Of course not... and if they refused there would be no repercussions under anti-discrimination legislation. Discrimination is only unlawful for certain things, such as age, race, religion etc.

Neo-Nazi twats are not protected under anti-discrimination legislation. Bakers are free to discriminate against them as much as they like.
Posted by Toni Lavis, Sunday, 19 November 2017 11:14:13 PM
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Dear Is Mise,

«Would a Muslim baker be expected to bake a cake with an anti-Muslim message on it for the wedding of a heterosexual couple from the Australian Defence League (or whatever they call themselves at the moment)?»

I think that in this particular case the baker would be off the hook (they should never be on the hook to begin with, but even as the law currently stands):

This is because writing anti-Muslim messages on cakes, would simply not be a service that they provide, to anyone.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 19 November 2017 11:25:16 PM
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AJ Phillips,

You don't understand that a business operation is just that - private. It's not your business. What a business owner chooses to provide or whom they choose to serve is a decision made in private.

This is in the context that private business operators may also feel the need to have a private life, elements such as rest time, holidays and days off work etc.

I know this having relatives who run their own small businesses at present.

So what a private business operator chooses to do privately, is their business, not mine or anyone else's. This can be in the context a private business operator wanting a work/life balance, feeling an need for religious incorporation, like not wanting Sunday trade or having other private reasons for not wishing to operate under certain terms and conditions.

Private, business operators should not have impositions placed upon them and be expected to be put in a position where they have to "check the prejudices of their customers, local, state or federal governments".

The public does however have a right (as expressed by Yuyutsu) to impose conditions on private operations, in areas like discrimination in return for private operators receiving any public benefit.

<<Yes, but those people chose to live there. People who are discriminated against do not choose to be who they are, nor should they be expected to check the prejudices of their local retailers before moving somewhere. This comparison is invalid.>>

Firstly, you assume people need retailers. I take the view they do not.

People have lived in the Leigh Creek area since birth. I know this, visiting the area as part of a study tour. Some of the local people are aboriginal and have long and deep connections to the land.

So these people are not in a position where "they be expected to check the prejudices of their local retailers". Personally, I think that "prejudice" is the wrong term to use, because business decisions are simply, made in private.

If you want a business that doesn't discriminate and is open to all - start your own.
Posted by NathanJ, Sunday, 19 November 2017 11:51:32 PM
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AJ, obviously you don't know how the big stores operate. They have surveillance cameras and PA systems, just for the purpose of ejecting the undesirables from the store. Keeping it safe for us good white folk.
Just the other day I was in my local KKK Supermarket when this announcement came over;

"Nig nogs get out!"
"Jewboys , spicks, towel heads leave now!"
"Poofters, fags, we know who you are, PO quick!"
"Chinks, back of the queue!"
"REMEMBER express lanes are only for the good white folk, the rest of you freaks join the long queues!
"Spook in aisle 4! Security to aisle 4, spook on the loose!

It was bedlam and mayhem, especially when the attack dogs were released, but that is a normal Saturday morning at my local KKK Supermarket. Thank god for those tough laws that keep it safe for US racists and bigots, BUT! they don't go far enough!

Given his posts on here concerning "queers" I would love to be a blowfly on the wall down at Butchers chop shop, to see how he really treats those "queers" he so despises.

Butch; "NEXT!"
Gay; "I would like 20kg's of your most expensive fillet steak for my wedding reception, please,"
Butch; "Yes sir, right away sir, (pant), no problem sir....(pant)(pant)(pant)....anything else I can get you, lamb cutlets maybe, loin chops?
Posted by Paul1405, Monday, 20 November 2017 5:00:00 AM
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