Yuyutsu,

Of course not. Paul believes in the State. Isn't that so, Paul ? None of this 'independent of the State' rubbish. All under One State, One Party, One Ruler, for One People, yada yada.

Joe

Dear Joe,

Paul has a good heart.

He just fails to realise that in the pursuit of his worthwhile goals, he currently supports violent means.

Joe, it sounds like the Catholic Church. Do you want us all to join.
Yuyutsu, he currently supports violent means. I do? Don't think so.

I give the same rights to the CC as I give to the RSL etc etc.

"Christians who were fed to the lions over their faith." No they were not, Romans actually accommodated other religions. They used the Christians as scapegoats, nothing to do with faith, that was added later.

Hi Paul,

Yes, doesn't it ? It seems that all organised religions and Utopian political systems degenerate sooner or later into forms of thought-control, of hegemonic domination, even if they prattle about the people's will or wishes etc. Some pull back from that sort of dictatorship, some increase their means of repression and terror, and the influence of some just withers away by sheer social change.

But your easy attack on particular churches has a 'tu quoque' smell about it. As an atheist for nearly seventy years now, I don't mind someone critiquing other people's belief systems, as long as they have the courage to apply that rule to their own.

Joe

Paul for your sake read my position.
From the posters here Homosexual relationships are called a "Civil Contract" or "Social Contract". The term must now be the legal term and replace the term marriage, because it is a legal term should be handled by solicitors before a Magistrate, where the contracts are signed by the parties and witnessed by persons known to the parties. That all contracts of relationships, currently called marriage, to live together be removed from Celebrants and religious Celebrants and placed in the appropriate hands, i.e. the Courts of petty sessions. Pre nuptial agreements be also registered, and in the dissolution of the contract the courts would hear the reasons and dissolve the contracts.

This would allow Churches, Synagogues, Temples and Mosques to bless and celebrate the union of two members in a religious ceremony after the contracts of intention to live together have been registered with the State.
Posted by Josephus, Thursday, 16 November 2017 6:40:28 AM

Dear Paul,

«Yuyutsu, he currently supports violent means. I do? Don't think so.»

So you are not supporting the state? And its making of laws which, when not obeyed, it violently locks people up?

A body of people which counts others as its "members" and subjects them to its constitution without their consent - I've never heard of the RSL doing this. In fact, even the Catholic church has stopped that practice long ago.

Now perhaps this archbishop supports violent means - all I know about him is what I just heard from you. If he does, then he too ought to be condemned.

«I give the same rights to the CC as I give to the RSL»

Well and good, but then if you want to abstain from violence, you need to allow the RSL its freedom from the state, which it currently lacks.