...cont

Moses' false testimonies have been used by believers to discriminate against gays since time in memorium... Believers shoul;d hang their heads in shame for two reasons

1. Because they believe the rubbish in the Bible
2. Because they have been so unGodly as to continue to discriminate against gays due to the lies of Moses!

Finally in Australia at least Gays will now have the right to marry. The discriminators have been silenced!

The only way to show that religious people have been totally hoodwinked is to show the verses they have never read in the first place... You will probably never have heard Preachers preaching these verses.

I hope other non-religious people who read these things realise that they too have been discriminated against by religious people who are plain wrong also!

Believers who find out you are a non-believer automatically assume you are going to hell when it is them that are the sinners on that topic...lmao

There is no Satan, there is no hellfire and sulphur pits... They are just scare weapons of people who are too dumb to know better or people who aim to oppress your rights to know the truth.

Those lies have been the weapons of mass destruction used by believers against innocent people to oppress and control since Moses started his lies..

It's time to break free! If you voted "No""based on your religion - you were wrong! You are living the great lies of Moses!

Jesus said John 6:46 NOT THAT ANY MAN HATH SEEN THE FATHER, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

Moses said Exodus 24:9-11 Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel: AND THEY SAW THE GOD OF ISRAEL: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness.

So who do your really believe? Jesus or Moses! lmao

ALTRAV,

When Christianity looks like everything else, there is no point in it at all. Organised religion, which I also eschew, is part of the problem now.

Paul,

Joke about the world not coming to an end via the YES vote if you must, but we are now seeing the beginning of the end. Give it time; it will happen. The West is heading for oblivion.

Paul,

Up to the sixties and perhaps beyond, marriage represented security for women entering into relationships, that their bloke wouldn't piss off just when they were anther most vulnerable. Many did of course, I recall blokes being 'garnisheed' at nearly very place I worked at in those days. In those days, it was vital that the firming up of those relationships, through an institution called marriage, had to be very public, mainly binding the bloke to his responsibilities in the eyes off the world, and of the State, and perhaps in the eyes of the church and its communities as well.

Since then, birth control methods have improved, single mothers' benefits have been strengthened, abortion has been legalised, and women are far more likely to get higher education, currently more so that men, and tosses to be employed for life. De facto relationships have pretty much all the legal power of married ones.

So the very need for marriage has declined. Marx and Engels would be very happy. As a sort of residual Marxist, I am too. So what we might end up with, in this 'stick up the arse of bourgeois society' approach of homosexuals, is that heterosexuals might be less inclined now to marry, while homosexuals may be more inclined if only to vainly attempt to shock bourgeois society, at least until the novelty wears off, and they start going through the processes of divorce.

So my reasons for being cold on homosexual marriage are simply because I see the institution as being less and less necessary for anyone. Sorry for that Marxist approach, if it conflicts with the nihilist-anarchist-Gramscian one: I'm getting old and I just can't keep up with the latest pseudo-revolutionary fads.

And of course, since I believe strongly in the separation of church and state, and in the freedom of belief, I support the right to believe in no matter whatever crack-pot religious theory, provided the rights of women and children are not violated by those beliefs, as in backward religions like 4,000-years-ago Judaism and present-day Islam (so sue me).

Joe

Not so sure about the West heading for oblivion.
The doom-sayers have been around for quite a long time
on our planet.

The vast majority of modern mainstream
Christians, Jews, and Muslims seek a better life on
earth, rather than seeking it in heaven. Even if they
believe in heaven, they seek to have a happy life on
earth. Modern people (with normal family and social
relationships, and an at least partially rational
view of how the world works) are not waiting for Armageddon,
or a future coming of a saviour. Nor are they waiting for
anything else that exercises the theological minds of
fundamentalists.

We must keep in mind that the religiously minded modern
person is not a "card-carrying" fundamentalist.
The latter are a tiny minority. Of whatever faith, a
psychologist would be likely to declare them to be of unsound
mind.

Paul,

"Since then, birth control methods have improved, single mothers' benefits have been strengthened, abortion has been legalised, and women are far more likely to get higher education, currently more so that men, and tosses to be employed for life.... "

What ?! 'tosses' ?! Bloody know-all computer. I think I meant: " .... women are far more likely to get higher education, currently more so that men, and to seek to be employed for life."

Joe

Sorry Foxy but the ravings of fundamentalist loonies are very close to even the modern believer...

I have done surveys on these things by asking simple questions...

Some of the questions are

Does hell exist... Most believe it does!A few say we are living hell on Earth.

What happens to non-believers? Most say they go to hell.

Have you read the Bible in full? No

Is the Bible God's word? 3 replies... Yes God wrote it... Yes it is inspired by God and therefore accurate. Yes!

The indoctrination in what you call a non-fundamentalist goes very deep. Because they usually don't want to think or investigate things they simply believe...

Were the people who voted no based on their religious beliefs using fundamentalist propaganda from Moses and the churches to vote no? The answer is yes!

Of course there are Christians who just want to live normal happy lives but they still claim to be Christian when they usually aren't.

Are they good people? Well no if they believe people go to hell. The whole stories of hell, the devil, the flood, the passover and the mass killings and war crimes they ignore that are documented in the Bible are totally anti-God.

You can't be a bigot and call yourself a Christian yet many are and many still do. Australian believers are a lot more quiet than USA loudmouth believers but they still believe the same lies.

That is fundamentalism!