The PM, Malcolm Turnbull, has declined a New Zealand offer to take some of the Manus Island illegals. Generally a fool and a menace, the man has to be commended for this one. We would soon be getting people, who were told that they would never settle in Australia, coming here as Kiwis if he had agreed.

On the contrary, he can be condemned on this one. Refugees are not the enemy and should not be treated as the enemy.

Boat people must be kept out at any cost, lest we get another flood of them starting.

Refugees are becoming a dirty word, with the African gangs running wild in Melbourne & parts of western Sydney, & Leb gangs ethnically cleansing large parts of Sydney suburbs.

I just can't understand: assuming they are (at least those who were determined to be refugees) free people now, what stops the New-Zealand government from sending planes, or a ship, to take them to New Zealand? Why would they need Australia's permission?

'Refugee' is not just a "dirty word", it is a misnomer for illegal boat arrivals who were told that they would never settle in Australia. That should be the end of the story really. This is the only area where Turnbull has stuck to Coalition policy. It's high time that the 'refugee' nonsense was put to bed, and those people running away from their own countries - while most of their countrymen stick it out - should be sent back. Australian politicians have been extremely stupid in falling for the greatest con trick perpetrated by the corrupt United Nations - illegal movement of people not wanted by or needed by the West to whom they are an outright burden bringing with them totally unacceptable cultures and, in many cases, crime.

Because it is just political posturing, Yuyutsu. Remember, the new NZ PM is a steaming socialist, more interested in gestures than actions. Look at me. I'm good, Australia is bad.

morning ,im happily married and have been in a relationship and married since 2009. My now wife has 3 children which i treat as my own. Im a native born Aussie the wife and boys are PNG and is now a permanent resident and to be a citizen shortly. All are enthusiastic Australians and making a great success of their opportunities. It cost me in round figures about $20000 for them to come to Aus . Mostly government charges. The process was fair, very bureaucratic of course{the australian disease). To think we are housing ,paying, flying 400 or so uninvited illegal aliens to aus for free medical access to the courts for free curdles my gut

I understand and sympathise, pilot. Your experience is not uncommon. There are thousands of legal, useful immigrants being dudded and insulted by these illegal crooks and our crooked politicians. If we are to hang onto democracy - looking less likely every day - we all have to speak up against our rotten, incompetent and sel-serving politicians.

Mark Latham's video editorial today went back to Fairfield and still very little English spoken by people coming and going from the the Centrelink office there. Lots of Arabic, almost no English. Latham ask how does a 'multicultural' society work if people can't communicate with each other?

//The PM, Malcolm Turnbull, has declined a New Zealand offer to take some of the Manus Island illegals//

I don't see how is in a position to decline: they're not ours to give. We've washed our hands of them; if New Zealand wants to volunteer to re-settle some I don't see the problem.

It looks like the government wanting to eat its cake and have it too. Out of one side of their mouth they argue that they shouldn't be our refugees, they should be Somebody Else's Problem. But as soon as Somebody Else comes along volunteering to make them their Problem, then they start arguing out of the other side of their mouth that Somebody Else can't have them because - surprise! - they are ours after all and we're only willing to lend them to certain people, thanks all the same. They used to be quite keen on the idea of regional resettlement - if New Zealand isn't in our region, I don't where is.

Is it too much to ask for them to make up their bloody minds? Are they or are they not our refugees? Because I don't think a majority of voters want them to be ours - but if they aren't ours and we don't want them, are we really in a place to be dictating to other sovereign nations whether or not they can have them?

Surely that's up to the other sovereign nations? Would you be happy to have, say, Germany dictating our refugee intake policy to us? Nah, thought not.

Multi-ethnic is fine but multicultural is not. Culture (singular) unites, liberates, en-nobles. Cultures (plural) divide, enslave, stultify.

Turnbull had a hard time persuading Trump to honour Obama's deal to accept Manus and Nauru prisoners in the USA, and this process is proceeding. Turnbull rightly told New Zealand "not at the moment" because the deal with the USA involving far more prisoners than New Zealand could settle is on a knife edge until the agreed transfer is done and dusted.

The Manus grubs should be sent back to their places of origin. It's time for Australian politicians to start working for the people who pay them and cease all contact with the UN mafia.

It would be good for these economic refugees to go to NZ as long as they agree to take ALL further boat people who try to come to Australia as a result of the deal.

What, runner? And have them end up here as Kiwis affer they get citizenship? This is where they want be, into the welfare. Nobody wants to live in New Zealand.

Well it's costing us heaps running Manus
Put them into NZ on benefits and on condition that entitlements are paid only if they remain in NZ.
Gotta cost far less than what we're paying at the moment with no solution in sight
And no more benefits to any freeloaders, domestic or otherwise, including politicians

I suspect Jacinta is to blind to see that her brand of politics has led to 1200 plus drownings and now the mess on Manus. No doubt never crossed her mind just like Mr Rudd's delusions.

What's wrong with drowning?

If refugees drown, then it's by the hands of God, nature and their traffickers, not by us.

If they drown, then they suffer for just some minutes - but if they are caught by the Australian navy, then they suffer for many years!

Originally Australia didn't owe them anything, not even life-vests or life-boats - now they deserve to receive many millions each in compensation for their false incarceration and torture.

ttbn,
"It's high time that the 'refugee' nonsense was put to bed, and those people running away from their own countries - while most of their countrymen stick it out - should be sent back"
Do you mean sent back to be killed?
Or do you mean sent back to escalate the conflict?

Both are a violation of international law, but the latter would have a lot of unintended consequences you probably haven't considered.

"And have them end up here as Kiwis affer they get citizenship? This is where they want be, into the welfare."
Welfare that Kiwis aren't even eligible for? Your objection is nonsensical!

Gee careful there hasbeen, the truth usually hurts on this site.

My lady friend required an MRI scan recently, she was not working due to her injury, had no money, yet was refused access to the scan at the public hospital and was forced to either pay $395 at a private clinic, or suffer in pain. Luckily I paid it for her.

My point is, had she been an illegal, I will bet she would have got one on the tax payer.

This whole illegals fiasco has created such a hole in our finances that we can no longer afford to support those from within who cant afford to provide for much needed help themselves, this despite many of them (like my lady) being tax payers.

It is a joke beyond belief.

Rehctub wrote:
"This whole illegals fiasco has created such a hole in our finances that we can no longer afford to support those from within who cant afford to provide for much needed help themselves"

How much of a hole, in dollars?

How much of a hole is due to the government's choice to imprison asylum-seekers abroad indefinitely for "processing" that never happens?

How does it compare with Australia's order from the Yank Military Industrial Complex for F35 Strike Fighters to participate in Yank colonial wars?

Actual facts and figures, not off-the-cuff hrrrumphs.

//My point is, had she been an illegal, I will bet she would have got one on the tax payer.//

Seems unlikely. If they've been granted permanent residency then they get the same social security benefits as any other permanent resident: there isn't a special Medicare just for them. If they aren't, they don't get Medicare at all.

I think you may have been fooled by an old hoax:

http://www.hoax-slayer.com/refugee-payment-hoax.shtml
http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/BN/2012-2013/AustGovAssistRefugees#_ftn22

Any cost to Australia brought on by illegals is unacceptable.

Dear Rehctub,

«My point is, had she been an illegal, I will bet she would have got one on the tax payer.»

Had she been illegal, then she would have no legal status hence receive nothing from the tax payer. I also had an MRI and paid a similar sum because I'm not willing to steal the tax-payer's money.

Both the cruelty of locking them up and the stupidity of paying for their expenses (both detention expenses and welfare), all originate from being signatory to that UN refugee convention which demands that refugees receive a legal status - otherwise they could simply try to land here, then if they survived the treacherous ocean-journey they would have no legal status and no recourse to any tax-payer support.

Y, they are not refugees, they are illegal arrivals.

Emp, we had a working system until Kevin 07 came to town. That's all that really matters.

Zero debt, money in the bank and if I recall, 2 or 3 in detention. Not hundreds, not thousands, just a few.

So for anyone to suggest governments are at fault for keeping them in detention, they would not have been there if not for the Kevin 07 experiment whereby people, for some unknown reason just decided it was time for a change.

Well that change has cost us our future, like it or not.

Dear Rehctub,

«Y, they are not refugees, they are illegal arrivals.»

The only reason they are considered illegal is because Australia declared them as such.

Instead, why not declare them "chicken"? At least chicken today are treated better, with the number of caged eggs dropping for the first time below 50%: http://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/agribusiness/caged-egg-sales-dropping-australian-egg-corporation-annual-report/news-story/2d494ebf39ab43f596d75f8ecfd558ba

so yuyutsu you arrive undocumented with no visa on a unapproved illegal country to country transit and you are not an illegal alien.

rehctub, "..we had a working system until Kevin 07 came to town"

Yes and the video evidence for those who now display very short memories and would re-write history,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0MHRSFz6FM

Dear Pilot,

«you arrive undocumented with no visa on a unapproved illegal country to country transit and you are not an illegal alien.»

You are still you, always, regardless what others call you and whether they approve of you or otherwise.

But even animals (say seals), when they swim in (undocumented) are treated better than those humans!