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Mass Murder In America

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AJ,

"Given the rate of fire and the sheer number of bullets fired into the crowd, I don't see how 500 being injured is "ludicrous" at all.

It sounds to me like you are desperately trying to downplay the role of the guns in any way you can"

Not at all but I am in favour of accurate reporting, and the injured rate compared to the kill rate indicates that many of the injured were hurt other than by gunfire.

AC,

"He definitely had automatic weapons, didn't you hear the gunfire?"

Yes, I did and that's one of the reasons that I don't think that he had automatic weapons; I might be wrong but based on the hundreds of thousands of rounds of automatic fire that I have heard, then I don't think that he had automatics.
Posted by Is Mise, Wednesday, 4 October 2017 11:48:55 AM
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Is Mise
"The deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history left at least 59 dead and more than 520 people injured". This is in numerous on-line newspapers, but I've quoted here Fox News, in case you don't believe the Australian or the ABC ( http://www.foxnews.com/live-coverage/las-vegas-massacre).

"Among the firearms were AR-15-style semiautomatic and AK-47-style automatic rifles. Automatic rifles which meet the legal definition of a machine gun, can fire continuously with one pull of a trigger and are heavily restricted under federal law." This one is from The Australian.

The New York Times has a video of the shooting where a marine vet analyses the sound of the gunfire, identifying the weapons used (automatic and/or semi-automatic modified to be automatic) and explaining why. It's disturbing, but informative. https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000005473223/las-vegas-shooting-guns.html?emc=edit_th_20171003&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=55689460 . You may hit a paywall with this.
Posted by Cossomby, Wednesday, 4 October 2017 12:02:08 PM
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//That's not why she was criticized in the Us but because of her ignorance and indecent haste in trying to score a political point out of the tragedy.//

Yes, what an evil cow that Clinton bitch is. Speaking in favour of gun control after another mass shooting? How dare she!

I don't see any mention of Republicans in her comments, Is Mise. And the NRA are not a political party.

But go ahead and try to make this into a political football if it matters that much to you, Is Mise. Clearly it's more important to you to put that that uppity Clinton woman be put in her place than it is that mass-murderers stop shooting innocent civilians.
Posted by Toni Lavis, Wednesday, 4 October 2017 12:13:24 PM
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Wow! I obviously don't understand what an automatic weapon is then.

I always thought an automatic weapon was a gun that could fire continuously when the trigger was held down; as opposed to a semi-automatic, which fires a single shot each time the trigger is pressed, without the need to reload; or a single-shot rifle, which requires reloading after each shot.

Please, Is Mise, tell us what the difference is between an automatic weapon and the rapid-fire weapon which can be heard in the videos? Do automatics fire even FASTER than that?
Posted by AJ Philips, Wednesday, 4 October 2017 12:16:36 PM
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Michael Moore in his film, "Bowling for Columbine,"
discovered a startling statistic: that more than 11,000
Americans are killed each year in gun murders, while
the figures in Britain and most other countries are under
100.

One might think gun control was the obvious solution,
and that it would solve the problem,
but Moore points out that guns are equally available in
Canada which has no such crisis on its hands. Moore goes
on to say that the problem is deeper in the United States.
The problem lies within the American culture of fear
and paranoia. That it lies within -
the American national psyche.

As one leader of a militia group stated -

"The pen is mightier than the sword, but I keep a sword
handy for when the pen fails."

Race and violence are inseparable in the popular imagination
in the United States, according to Moore.
The culture of fear saturates America's
social fabric, and it is now spreading across the world.

If we decide to beat up on the poor, the immigrants, the
have-nots, and if we allow -
Government institutionalised violence
towards them, this will ultimately create a violent society.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 4 October 2017 12:31:01 PM
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See also https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/02/us/vegas-guns.htm. This has graphs of fire rate for several recent massacre shootings. The link I gave earlier has diagrams, but this one actually includes a video showing how to modify a semi-automatic with a bump stock so that it fires as fast as an automatic (but makes a slightly different noise).
Posted by Cossomby, Wednesday, 4 October 2017 12:32:55 PM
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