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Mass Murder In America

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AC, be careful, ttbn will accuse you of being an American hater. The world problem as I see it, is the necessity for the United States, which is about 4% of the Worlds population, occupying about 4% of the Worlds land mass, having to enforce their will on the entire planet. That population is consuming about one third of the Worlds resources, while accumulating about one third of the Worlds wealth at the same time. They are not even doing that equably among themselves with about 10% of Americans accounting for 90% of that consumption and wealth accumulation. What the Americans are good at is using their very large military apparatus, paid for by that wealth, to enforce inequality throughout the World, they call it serving "American interest". Its a modern form of British colonialism.

Sorry Issy, I got it all wrong, there's no problem, the bloke didn't use automatic weapons according to your narrow definition. Should he come-a-calling we can all rest easy in our beds with that comforting thought that he's not going to use auto weapons on us. As a supporter of the Australian chapter of NRA what is that orgs take on this latest mass killing in the US? Business as usual.

"Malcolm Turnbull says the politics around gun ownership in America are “almost beyond comprehension” to most Australians.

Reflecting on the Las Vegas tragedy, the Prime Minister said that although Australia’s gun laws were among the strictest in the world, there was “no place for set and forget in any area of national security”. ABSOLUTELY MR TURNBULL , could not agree more.

Those with the notion that it "can't happen in Australia" are living in a fools paradise, or have a vested interest, it can and it has. We need to constantly review our gun laws, tighten them where necessary, and not be influenced by those that seek to diminish or remove such laws. Our relatively strict gun control measures, need reviewing and strengthening. Get on to it Mr Turnbull, and your State counterparts as well, thinking Australians will all support you.
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 5 October 2017 4:36:41 AM
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//Latest on the news is that he didn't have any automatic weapons.//

The news says that he had an AK-47, Is Mise. Kalashnikovs are selective-fire weapons: they can be used in semi-automatic or fully-automatic mode. I suppose technically a selective-fire weapon is not a fully-automatic, but doesn't that seem like splitting hairs to you when the AK-47 does have a fully-automatic mode?
Posted by Toni Lavis, Thursday, 5 October 2017 5:34:29 AM
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Paul,

"Sorry Issy, I got it all wrong, there's no problem, the bloke didn't use automatic weapons according to your narrow definition"

Not a narrow definition at all but the definition that is accepted worldwide.

Toni,

An AK47 is an automatic weapon but the reports that I've so far seen say that he had modified semi-autos, time will tell.
Posted by Is Mise, Thursday, 5 October 2017 8:06:01 AM
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Cossomby "I'd be interested if anyone can come up with an explanation of this."

Anti-abortion = defending human lives
Gun owners = defending human lives

Pretty obvious.
The "right to bear arms" is defensive, not offensive.
As if the constitution would enshrine the "right" to violently aggress!
Posted by Shockadelic, Thursday, 5 October 2017 8:40:00 AM
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Paul,

No. I will not accuse AC of being an America hater. I haven't read his posts. After a few posts on any subject, OLO posters seem to forget what the subject is about and waffle on, boring for Australia as usual.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 5 October 2017 8:41:14 AM
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Hey Paul1405,
Maybe he would, our opinions differ on some issues, but on many issues regards Australia I think we're on the same team.
It's ok if he criticises me, it's called online opinion, we've all got our opinions and we can't express them without allowing others to respond.
So yes I think he'd be critical of my criticism of the US, but if he read my comments I think he'd understand why I hold the opinion I do.
If he didn't, well he's his own person and he's got just as much a right to an opinion as anyone.

I just don't like the global gang mentality, and the underhanded intervening in the politics of other countries.
It's not sinister, my criticism is for the right reasons, I believe.

On the other hand, I kind of do support the US Constitution including the 2nd amendment, and I know you'd be critical of my opinions on that.
I understand the reason it's there, though situations like this can challenge one's resolve.

The constitution sets out the not so much the 'rights' of government, but the 'limits of its power', it's a contract 'WITH' the people; and the Bill of Rights is the 'rights' OF the people. (If I understand correctly)
The 2nd Amendment is 'supposed' to be the 'final check and balance' on a tyrannical government.
These things came into being after the war with the British and their Independence.
So the whole thing about US gun culture, the core of it, is that US citizens have a right to overthrow a tyrannical government if it ever oversteps its powers upon them.

- And at some level, the citizens should've risen up and gotten rid of all those swamprats in congress.
- And so the US government is petrified of 'The Soverign Citizen'; 'The Patriot', 'The Returned War Veteran'...

If they aren't going to stand up to their corrupt leaders and remove them, there's not a lot of point in it.
But conservatives are well, mostly pretty conservative, and it's the left training and arming up for a coming revolution.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 5 October 2017 10:15:37 AM
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