"Using babies in discussion is weak and can be tantamount to child abuse."
Suggesting killing innocent children with a 50 Cal gun would be even weaker, and make no mistake Hasbeen did not make any exclusions in his comment, and certainly is child abuse in the extreme. Don't you agree JR?
What do you think or blasting away at a boat full of unarmed people on the high seas by the navy, would be seen as? I seek your opinion, but I think its outright murder.

I am of the same view as you Paul1405, about Hasbeen's comment you refer to.

Dear Joe,

«So what's your solution to this chronic problem ? A larger annual refugee intake ?»

Simple:

Those who apply and are authorised as refugees, arrive in their capacity of refugees, become part of Australian society and accordingly receive human rights.

Those who arrive by boat without authorisation, only arrive in their capacity of animals. While it would not be morally right to block their physical entry into this continent, they do not become part of Australian society and all they must receive is animal rights.

Animals should be allowed to freely roam the country. If they enter cities, then they can be captured and treated as pets. If however they threaten human lives, their property or livestock, then the affected farmers may kill them, obviously in the most humane method possible in accordance with the standards of the RSPCA.

We may of course choose to treat them better than animals - and I hope we do, but allowing them the status of animals is the very minimum.

Paul,

Semantics. 'Queue' or 'lottery': if you haven't applied and waited, or if you haven't bought a ticket, you're not in it.

I'm presuming that, whatever the annual refugee intake is, the number of applicants desperate to get out of shirt-hole refugee camps is far greater. So there's a queue. Yes, it is very similar to a lottery.

That's right, it's like one or the other, or both. I was on a very crowded bus one time last year, crammed up next to a lovely African woman, and I said, "If he takes any more passengers, you and me will have to get married." She laughed heartily, so we had a five-minute yarn: she had been in a refugee cxamp in West Aftrica for eighteen years.

She was in a queue for eighteen years. Do you think, Paul, that she had ten thousand bucks to pay off a smuggler ? Did you see all that many African people on those boats, when they were coming ? No ? Why's that ? Too far ? Probably. No money ? Very likely. Fair ? No.

So, yes, there's a queue. People wait. And wait. And wait. OF COURSE some people get impatient, but does that justify their taking the place of some poor bugger stuck out in the Kenyan desert for fifteen years, for another year ? And another ? And another ?

Have just a trace of humanity, for god's sake. Think.

Joe

Jf Aus: First of all I have to admit that I have no idea who Phillip Adams is, let alone what he stands for.
I saw from the link that the diatribe against him was on an Andrew Bolt blog, so I would say he must a good fellow.
OK here is the plan that unfortunately will never be allowed.
1st. Pull all of ADF forces out of foreign countries unless they are there to do relief work after a disaster.
2nd. Stop the huge influx of nearly 300,000 migrants and 100,000 or more 547 visa workers, from flooding into the country at the direction of big corporations who want a surplus of labour, enabling them to reduce and freeze wages.
3rd. bring in tariffs for any Australian company that moves it's operations to a very 3rd world country, to reap the benefits of cheap labour.
Kill the huge tax breaks for big business.
4th. Nationalise the energy sector and have it operated by a Federal board with an oversight committee.
5th. Nationalise the oil and gas sector with the same as above.
6th. Create a Federal ICAC that will limit and audit government salaries and expenses.
7the cancel the orders for F35 -Turkeys and a fleet of submarines.
7th Raise the royalties on minerals to an equivalent level of overseas countries.
By eliminating the influx of migrants the refugee intake can be increase enormously helping the world refugee problem.

Hi Robert,

I read your post and, at first, thought, "This man's an idiot." Then I read it again, and again, and now conclude that, "Yes, this man's an idiot."

Just a couple of issues, top of head stuff:

* try to impose tariffs on Australian companies who move operations overseas, and how long before they are officially a Singaporean or British or Virgin Islands company ? Same company, now a foreign company ? Out of Australia's tax zone ?

* block the migration of skilled migrants, and replace them with poor buggers from, say, Rakhine State (didn't it used to be called 'Arakan' during the War ?) who can grown millet and maybe tea, but can't really operate a RMI machine, or work on major engineering works;

* nationalise oil and gas firms ? Many companies would be most grateful to be bought out at inflated prices.

I'll leave some other tid-bits to others :)

Joe