Yuyutsu,

"Robert Spencer, a distinguished researcher of Islam as well as a formidable opponent of Islam as we know it, provides plenty of forensic evidence to that effect."

Spencer may provide evidence but it sure ain't forensic.

Spencer is currently barred from entering the UK because of his views, evidential or not.

Yuyutsu,
Who is attributed to writing the Koran in Arabic? Who's ideas are attributed to the Hadith's?

Theres 2 billion Muslims, far more than citizens of western democracies.
My question is this, how do non-Muslims fare in situations where they are the minority wherever they may be?
Will our liberty be guaranteed in we become a minority if not why should we care about 'their' liberty now?

Give me facts and statistics.

Islam is an insult to our national anthem.
Advance Australia Fair.

There is nothing fair about increasing the population of a minority who have proven time and time again in foreign countries and cities they will subjagate and victimise non muslims if they get a chance.
Muslim immigration puts Australian lives at risk
Islam should be banned in Australia, and it's adherents deported.

In Australia we lock up our criminals.
In Islam, they kill their enemies.
Not exactly an even playing field.
Sounds like a tax on the Australian people to me, with an added increased risk of death by terrorism.

Does the UN dictate our refugee intake and which refugees come?
If so we should leave the UN.
Being part of a global organisation does not mean that they should dictate our laws and way of life.

Dear Josephus,

According to current "Muslim" belief, both the Koran and Hadith are about the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.

So-called "Muslims" defend this view by drawing, through the Hadith, a "reliable" lineage of people who knew Muhammad and transferred his teachings reliably - so they believe.

But according to Spencer, all three were forged around the 790's: the Koran, the Hadith and the lineage.

Spencer's theory is that Muhammad simply did not exist.

My theory is different:

There actually was a saint named Muhammad, who lived in a cave and was inspired by God. He actually had some valuable spiritual teachings (now lost).

As Muhammad was admired as the "perfect man", stories about his existence went around. But memories failed and at nights, around camp-fires, anyone would start telling stories about this "perfect man", according to how they personally conceived a perfect man would have been and mixing them up with other folk-tales.

Fictional literature about "Muhammad The Perfect Man" dispersed around the Arab peninsula and (according to Spencer) comprised around 100,000 pages. Most of it probably described Muhammad more or less as we would currently describe a saint, but there were also others who believed that a perfect man would necessarily be a warlike hero, subjugate infidels and women, etc. Around the 790's, a group of thugs selected, connected up and systematically propagated about 3,000 pages (3%) that were to their liking and political interests - and this is what we today call "Islam".

Islam means the peace which comes as a result of surrendering to God.
The propagators of what is currently considered "Islam" were not at al surrendered to God - they pursued their vicious interests.

Saint Muhammad must be rolling in his grave.

Yuyutsu,

That deep meditation does produce some wonderful thoughts, do you use an accelerant?