Hi Ttbn,

I have to say that sections of the 'Left' have always been too bereft of argument to do anything other than use violence. Back in the late seventies, when Dr Hans Eysenck was coming to Adelaide, to Flinders University, to talk about his theories on the inheritance of intelligence (which I totally disagreed with), I was loosely associated with a group of Maoists there - when I suggested that he should bee confronted with clear argument to rebut him, especially to criticise his reliance on the forged data from Cyril Burt. My closest Maoist friend said, "No ! We smash him !"

So not much changes, does it ?

Cheers,

Joe

Dear ttbn,

We should all be concerned about violence no matter
who it comes from. And it comes from more than
just one group as the following link shows:

http://theconversation.com/australians-should-also-worry-about-white-extremists-in-our-own-backyard-63650

Hi Foxy,

Deaths from Australian white extremists in 2017: Nil.

Deaths from Australians espousing support for Islam in 2017:

* five (six ?) in Melbourne's Bourke Street, ?January?

* one, Brighton, 5th June.

TOTAL, 2017 (so far): (six) or seven killed by Islamists, none by white extremists.

What were you referring to ? Previous years ? Would you like to do a count for us, of the atrocities perpetrated, say in the past fifteen years, by both groups, white extremists and Islamic terrorists ?

I should clarify: when I mention Islamic terrorists, I'm referring to both those terrorists who have not yet been condemned by any Australian imams, and those who have.

Joe

Joe (Loudmouth),

If you Google "A brief history of far right
violence in Australia," it will give you the
answers you're looking forward.
More recent events are in the link I
cited in my previous post. Perhaps you should
read it?

Also, issue-oriented and ethno-nationalist
groups continue to operate in Australia and
are likely to remain as an ongoing security
concern into the future. Far right violent
extremist groups have existed in Australia
for almost a century. Violent extremism
has been a persistent concern over a long period
of time with such acts manifesting in a range
of different forms in Australia since WWII.

A historical presence of far-right extremists in
Australia and dramatic attacks conducted
internationally by individuals such as Wade Mitchael
Page, Anders Breivick, and David Copeland has
demonstrated the potential for far right violence.
Hence the warnings given in the link I cited
earlier.

Foxy,

I wasn't aware that that mongrel Breivik was Australian. You learn something every day :)

Yes, I realise we have to go back a long way to document all of the violent extremist atrocities in Australia, such as the Muslim killings on the train from Broken Hill in (I think?) 1917. Wow, a hundred years of extremist atrocities.

Yes, the Ustasha, perhaps some Soviet 'extra-judicial' killings and many other fascist groups (although I don't know that those others killed anybody). But let's be honest: since, let's say, 2001, there have been more such atrocities than in all of the century before. And who has been involved in most of those ? Why, I do believe it has been followers of Islam, citing - quite correctly, when they had the chance - the validations for their acts from the Koran.

That's the reality: the great majority of terrorist killings - probably since about 1900 - have been by Islamists, people citing the Koran as their legitimising authority.

Isn't that so ? Is that what you are talking about ? Yes, I agree completely that those groups are far-right groups - how else would you categorise Islamist fascism ?

Of course, like you, I eagerly await the forthright condemnation of such vile actions by all of the imams in Australia, speaking as one.

How long do you reckon we will have to wait ?

Joe

Joe (Loudmouth),

What a really charming man you're turning out
to be. Do try to avoid flatulent rhetoric in
discussions or else you'll be binned just like
leoj.

I did not say that Anders Breivik was Australian.
Read my post.