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What Should Be In OUR Treaty ?
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Posted by leoj, Thursday, 1 June 2017 5:24:44 PM
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Hi Leoj,
It used to be, and probably still is, the practice that anybody who waltzed up to an Indigenous agency and claimed to be Indigenous was signed in, since that meant one more to their case-load, and therefore a bigger budget next year. Anybody who worked earlier in a university Indigenous support unit would be familiar with blow-ins trying to get into a university course 'the easy way', and using this method of 'validating' their Indigenous status. When my wife was in charge of Indigenous student support at one uni, she queried one student's Indigenous status who told her that if my wife asked that again, she would take her to court. She's now in a very senior position in education policy. She was probably at Uluru :) So bullying and bullsh!t certainly work. Joe Posted by Loudmouth, Thursday, 1 June 2017 5:45:55 PM
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Yuyutsu: "I have no sympathy for Aboriginal people who capitulated to the White occupation, intermarried, accepted donations, participate in the economy, speak English and shamefully give themselves English names, yet still ask for special rights: they need to decide!"
You reckon if they had done none of those things, not capitulated, not intermarried, not accepted donations, not participated in the economy, not learnt English, and not taken English names, we'd be sympathetic to them asking for special rights? I reckon if they or their descendants had actually survived without capitulating or doing all those things, we'd say firmly no! Look at you, you haven't contributed anything to the economy, and you haven't bothered to learn English!! (After all that's what we say to refugees.) , Posted by Cossomby, Thursday, 1 June 2017 6:03:40 PM
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Dear Cossomby,
Had that been the case, then they wouldn't need any rights from you, nor would you be able to give them anything that is not theirs anyway - rather, if you were a gentleman (unlike your ancestors which grabbed whatever they wanted by force) then you would be the one asking them for rights. Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 1 June 2017 8:08:15 PM
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Joe (Loudmouth), Bazz,
This is of interest, the tip of a very large iceberg one assumes, <Universities warned on ‘flimsy evidence’ of Aboriginality A national register of indigenous people has been proposed by academic and activist Stephen Hagan. Indigenous specific enrolments and scholarships at Australian universities are being awarded to students with “flimsy evidence’’ of their heritage, according to one of the nation’s leading Aboriginal academics. Bob Morgan, head of the University of Newcastle’s indigenous Wollotuka Institute, has joined a push for tougher checks across the community of claims to Aboriginality and benefits, which in some cases are given on the back of a single statutory declaration. A forum of native title holders, indigenous leaders and regulators in Sydney has been told of suspected rorting at universities, in the public service and in gaining access to government grants. A national register of indigenous people was proposed by academic and activist Stephen Hagan and backed by the chairman of the Prime Minister’s Indigenous Advisory Council, Warren Mundine. Dr Hagan said the register was needed to stop “the problem of fake Aboriginals’’, which could include people on Federal Court vetted records of native title claimants> http://tacinc.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Universities-warned-on-%E2%80%98flimsy-evidence%E2%80%99-of-Aboriginality.pdf However that only addresses one form of corruption in a system that is rife with it. Where there is money there is graft. And hundreds of millions of taxpayers' dollars have been poured into indigenous for decades. I referred earlier to the reports of the Australian National Audit Office that have been tabled in the federal Parliament and there are many other reports, papers and whistleblowers's accounts. The politicians cower before the political correctness of the ABC and others. Posted by leoj, Thursday, 1 June 2017 9:34:36 PM
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Dear Joel,
This is quite easy to test: If you go by an English name, then you are not an aboriginal. Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 1 June 2017 10:46:05 PM
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Anyone with a leg in with those aboriginal mobs in those 'representative' indigenous bodies.
As long as the said 'indigenous' doesn't chance his arm with Qld Fisheries. But even then the feds will continue to recognise him, despite what Fisheries has proved.