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What Should Be In OUR Treaty ?
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Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 31 May 2017 5:13:49 PM
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My third attempt in correcting my typos:
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/australia-needs-a-treaty-and-constitutional-recognition-for-indigenous-people-20160805-gqm0xp.html Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 31 May 2017 5:20:34 PM
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When my oldest son went down south to boarding school in his teens, he was required to do " aboriginal studies" as part of the school curriculum. He left home as a young person who had lived a very multicultural life and accepted everyone as equal. He came back very racist.
His bloodline is a half aboriginal father and a white mother and we were living in a remote traditional community in the Kimberley. One day he was expounding the responsibility of white Australia to pay compensation to the aboriginal inhabitants. Finally, in disgust, I told him " get your black part to collect payment from your white part" and leave me out of it! Nothing has changed my opinion in the thirty years since then. Posted by Big Nana, Wednesday, 31 May 2017 6:27:54 PM
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Dear Big Nana,
The following link may be of interest: http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2015/s4451538.htm Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 31 May 2017 7:47:54 PM
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HiJoe,
As yet nothing concrete has been put forward as to what should be contained in a treaty. There is no draft, no suggestions, nothing. As to who should be involved in the process, both from a practical and a democratic point of view, that is also debatable. Obviously the first thing is recognition of sovereignty of the Aboriginal "Nation(s)" over the Australian territory now under the control of the Commonwealth of Australia, otherwise you've got no one to negotiate with. Then it is necessary for the sovereign Aboriginal nation(s) to cede that sovereignty to someone? The head of State for the Commonwealth, the Queen of Australia. Then in return the new sovereign has to offer certain concessions and make certain promises in return. Those concessions and promises depends on the negotiators for both sides. Then ratification must take place, you would assume that there had been much consultation with the various stakeholders all throughout the process. Of course there may well have to be constitutional changes on the side of the Commonwealth as well, the Aboriginal Nation(s) do not have a Constitution to change. All this is going to be very messy and time consuming, for what result, what changes tomorrow? As i said many times here now, I am ambivalent on the subject of a treaty. Joe, how do you see it? Do we do a William Hobson and rework some old treaty like the 'Treaty of Versailles' and remove the word German and replace it with Aborigine, that would be a quick solution, but not necessarily effective. Or do we do it just for a laugh. Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 1 June 2017 5:50:37 AM
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Oh Foxy, why don't you ask me how to use the Tinyurl.
Posted by Bazz, Thursday, 1 June 2017 9:45:31 AM
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Those who choose to be part of Australian society are to be subject to its laws, rights and obligations.
Those who choose otherwise, should still be able to co-habit this continent, with no rights or obligations. If some of them choose to re-establish their original aboriginal tribes/nations, then so be it.
An optional covenant can and probably should be made between all (or most of) those who live in this continent, be they Australians, Aboriginals or otherwise. Such a covenant would make minimal arrangements to prevent friction and ensure a peaceful relationship between the different people who live in this continent.
I have no sympathy for Aboriginal people who capitulated to the White occupation, intermarried, accepted donations, participate in the economy, speak English and shamefully give themselves English names, yet still ask for special rights: they need to decide!