Of the 12 terrorist attacks thwarted, he said 11 were being planned by young men who were radicalised in the spirit of this "Sunni Islamist extremist cult" and one was a a right-wing extremist who had nothing to do with Islam.

Hi Doog,

Eleven out of twelve ain't bad. If there was a competition between Islamist, Buddhist, Hindu, Calluthumpian and Illuminati terrorists, it seems that the Islamists have it the bag. If there were such an event as the Fascist World Games, the Islamists would take out all the Gold Medals.

Hi Bazz,

News flash: they're already here. They can't be rounded up and deported. So IF there is a problem in the Muslim community over Islamo-fascism, then it easily, if indirectly, becomes our problem.

So we have to differentiate between:

* terrorists,

* would-be terrorists,

* extreme Muslims giving covert support to terrorists,

* 'moderate' Muslims who wouldn't, and

* 'Muslims' who are wavering in their faith.

I wouldn't know the proportion of each, of course, but I have enough cautious faith in human beings to hope that the great majority are in those two last categories. Time will tell.

Incidentally, I wonder if that Muslim Legal group advising any Muslims going overseas to strip their email, social media accounts, etc. of any reference to bomb-making, under-age 'marriage', etc. were more likely advising any supporters of terrorists, not just those going overseas, to get rid of any incriminating material, perhaps also their ISIS flags as well, but in not so many words.

Cheers,

Joe

Joe,
Yes, it would be easy if muslims had a bar code printed on their forehead and we could sort them out. Unfortunately that is not the case.

I read sometime back that 15-25% of muslims have extreme views, which is far too high for our citizens safety. That is why I think we should stop all muslim entry into Aus from now on. At least that will help stop the risk from growing too much. You see I think it is the new arrivals that continually refresh the extreme views. But I think it will take a terrorist nuke attack to make our polys aware of that, and put a stop to muslim entry.

Foxy,
Made me smile to see your post (on page 2) whereby you chastised another poster for putting forward false evidence to support his view.

Hi Banjo,

I would have thought that there were millions of destitute non-Muslim refugees, in east and north Africa, and in the Middle East, without the ten thousand $$ to pay for air fares to Indonesia and to the smugglers, who have done all the right things to apply to come to Australia, and sat and waited, and waited, ..... and waited, and who could be warmly welcomed here.

Sure, that's hard on the great majority of innocent Muslims stuck in similar situations, but that may be a cross they have to bear for the time being.

Joe

Joe (and Banjo),

I think Sam Harris provides a useful list of categories by which to separate the differing beliefs within Islam by extremity http://youtu.be/vln9D81eO60?t=250 (try to ignore Ben Affleck carrying on like a pork chop).

A comprehensive collection of polls, taken around the world, with regards to the beliefs of Muslims on various topics, can be found at http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/opinion-polls.aspx.

Joe etal;
Overseas experience seems to indicate those who are not radical when
the Islamists get control and start to enforce sharia just go along
with it all.

We do have to finally stop resisting acknowledging that we are at war.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y
If we accept that then we can put everyone who is a risk into internment camps.
We can of course offer them repatriation to enemy countries.
They were normal practise as a fifth column risk was unacceptable.
They would be interned for the duration, even if it takes another
1400 years.

To declare war on Islamic State is quite a reasonable thing to do.
A state of war then operates in a simpler and more straightforward
set of rules. Problems like the police had with shooting Manos no
longer matter,
Any that are caught can be shot by firing squad because they are
fighting without uniform or paybook.
Thems' the rules so lets use them.
They want to play then lets go.