Dear me, why do people seem to deliberately misunderstand and over-state what Isn't the case ?

Yuyutsu, you appear to agree with me 100 %, that all citizens should have similar rights etc. Of course, recent immigrants, tourists, visitors, overseas students, New Zealnd citizens, visiting Martians, foetuses, non-humans, etc., do not have the full rights of Australian citizens, but once they ARE citizens, then of course they should have the full rights of citizens. There should thus be NO 'classes' of citizens. How do our views differ on that ?

Ttbn, dear Foxy did NOT suggest that 'All' migrants and refugees etc., but only that ' ' migrants and refugees etc; i.e. some/most/many rather than All. You can see the difference ?

Why do people think they are clever by describing straw mans/men, and then proceed to demolish their own creations ?

Joe

Joe,

You seem to have lost the ability to read, along with your manners. The two are exactly the same.

Hi Ttbn,

Not really: 'There are people in South Australia who were born and bred in South Australia' does not mean that all people in South Australia were born etc. although Australians would like to have been, of course. That is, most Australians.

A general statement probably always assumes exceptions to itself: 'politicians are hard-working'; 'Subarus are reliable cars'; 'kids like pavlova'; 'Trump is a bit of a dill'. Okay, that last one is pretty absolute, I'll admit, but I live in hope of an exception, perhaps in the second hundred days. If we're still here.

As for manners, you can take the boy out of Bankstown .......

Joe

Dear Joe,

Thank you for your comments.
They came at the right time.
Clearly responding here has been a total
waste of my time. Its obvious that
I should not have continued to try to talk
to a person who's only interested in negative
statements that feeds his existing hostility.
Still he's not alone in that.

See you on another discussion.

Dear Ttbn,

At the moment Australia has permanent residents.

In accordance with our differing systems of values, you would like to change this in one way and I would like to change this in another way.

Interestingly, if any of our proposals succeeds, then either way there will no longer be permanent residents.

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Dear Joe,

The name of a legal status is not worth arguing over (wouldn't it become somewhat like the long-bearded argument on whether or not homosexuals may call their relationship a 'marriage'?). If you prefer to only call the innermost rung 'citizenship' and find/invent new names for the other rungs, then so be it.

If you agree with me that Australia should offer different concentric packages of privileges+obligations and allow the people who live here to choose between them (based on the general guidelines which I outlined), then the title "citizen" should not stand in the way of our agreement.

ttbn, you are still at it? Now I see you are attacking the Kiwi's. The notion that you have to come up with the goods is ridiculous, all you seem to be doing is rehashing old ideas as propagated by the likes of Hitler, and giving them an Aussie flavor. You offer nothing new, just the same old, same old, extremists nonsense. When you have a decent idea please post it, it will make for interesting reading for a change.