Dear Josephus,

Could you please supply some evidence to your claims.

Dear Josephus,

People do not generally want citizenship so they could vote or hold a public office; and as for "medical and welfare care", while arguments for or against are beyond the scope of this discussion, it's currently available to permanent residents as well (including to those who don't even want it).

The main reason for people, myself included, to need citizenship is to feel safe that they can remain in Australia, no matter what, including for example if Australia faces a deep economic depression and therefore sends away all its non-citizens (including permanent residents). The next common reason is to have a good passport that allows one to travel to, or at least transit through, practically any country. The third common reason is that citizenship gives your relatives a few more migration-points when you sponsor their migration.

If it were just a matter of voting and holding public offices, then I wouldn't have bothered.

The root of the problem of needing citizenship, boils down to the arrogance and cruelty of states which deny people access to the land which they claim as "theirs" - in the case of Australia, this whole vast continent, which is not of their creation.

You complain about people who "have criminal intent against our values and freedoms" - but what about the crimes of the state itself against the freedoms of others? Politicians are full of themselves, thinking that their "laws, culture and values" are the best and the most liberal, but are they?!?

What they are looking for are people to share their mediocre values. Yes, they could theoretically pick up some people of inferior values (although in practice, those people would simply cheat and answer whatever they expect), but in that process they will also screen out those of superior values to theirs, who could instead uplift their society.

Josephus,

Yes. That's a real problem. The immigrants themselves might very well make good citizens, but their offspring can, and sometimes do, turn out to be no good at all; our would-be terrorists fit into that category. But, like the rest of us born here, their citizenship is automatic, and we cannot start putting conditions on citizens born of immigrant parents.

There is nothing we can do about people born here. The dummies who came up with multiculturalism and non-discriminatory immigration were warned, but they took no notice.

We could do something about the future by banning all immigration from some parts of the world, but our useless politicians do not have the courage to do that. The best we can hope for is someone in the near future will have the will and the power to bring all immigration, apart from what is actually needed, to a halt.

Firstly, what are we going to do with second-generation immigrants who fail the immigration test? Their parents’ countries of origin are unlikely to take them.

Secondly, does here anyone - who supports this xenophobic dog-whistle from the federal government, that would be no different to what we've already got - actually understand why offending and radicalisation are more prevalent in second-generation immigrants?

(You didn't even know they were more prevalent in second-generation immigrants, did you?)

Apparently not, because if you did, then you would realise that Josephus’s suggestion would actually make the problem worse.

A lot worse.

Foxy, the contents of our gaols demonstrates that certain ethnic
groups have a higher criminal content than everyone else.
That is why we have a Middle Eastern Crime Squad.
We used to have an Asian crime squad but I have not heard of it for some time.
A J Phillips makes the point about the children of migrants being
the real problem. That is probably natural as the parents being older
will not be so active in crime because they have responsibility for children.
The existence of the Goulburn Super Mosque is an example of the problem.

The children are the major part of the problem. I suspect that the
terrorism inclined group is smaller than the criminal inclined group.
The deportation of the children would be solved if the law said they
have their parents nationality until their parents became naturalised
say 20 years after arrival. It is complicated.

In France their are 15000 yes 15000 which I suspect is very conservative who are on high watch. How could any law enforcement manage to monitor that many Islamic terrorist. Give it another generation or two and the numbers will be massive. All thanks to the wonderfully unelected EU and its lefist allies.