With the new immigration and Citizenship requirements coming into effect, so as to avoid people who will not integrate into our society, or seek employment in skilled areas. All those non citizens who have children here should we make their children also do the citizenship test before they can take out citizenship and be able to vote in Australia. With the second generation radicalization of children who do not accept Australian laws, customs and values, should they also need to swear allegiance to Australia, its laws and values before being able to vote or hold public office.

We really do not need any more new citizens. Too many of he ones we already have are bludgers with ill feelings towards us. It doesn't matter what questions or requirements are introduced, would-be citizens are going to do and say what they think they are expected to do and say. After they get the 'prize', they are free to do as they wish.

Immigration should now occur only to cover Australia's direst needs. At the moment, with so many people out of work, we need no more people; in fact, there are quite a few we should be getting rid of.

maybe all leftist voters should do the citizenship test. They have created the ghetto's and hatred of the Christian Judeo ethics in the name of diversity and tolerance. Send them to Tasmania and let them be heated by wind farms and solar heating. Dont allow them to fly or drive cars or use anything that comes from 'raping the land'(mining). All who practice Islam can live with them in the name of diversity and let their kids all be safe by perverting them with the 'safe schools' programs. The getup clowns can setup their head office and Tony Jones won't need to look to far to stack his weekly propaganda show.

Dear runner,

This Easter we attended several churches throughout the
city. It may surprise you to learn that the ones in the
"migrant" communities (nearest to where we live) were packed
to the rafters. Also masses were held at my mother's nursing
home for the residents - from the Greek Orthodox Church. A Polish
priest visited, as did the Croatian, Slovenian, Hungarian, and Italian
priests, to name just a few a few. Perhaps you need to get out more.
And check the realities against your misconceptions and falsehoods.
Shame on you.

Dear Josephus,

Which citizen groups do you think should be targeted exactly?
If you do your research on the history of crime in this
country, it may surprise you to learn that criminals come in
all shapes and sizes and various ethnic backgrounds. Do we
target them all?

Perhaps we need to target all persons turning 18 with the citizen Test upon which they sign to abide by our laws, culture and values. The privilege of citizenship should allow one to vote and receive medical and welfare care. I would think anyone who wishes to remove freedoms of speech, equality of all and circulation of ideas should be challenged by our citizenship laws. There are second generation children of non and dual citizens that currently have criminal intent against our values and freedoms.

Dear Josephus,

Could you please supply some evidence to your claims.

Dear Josephus,

People do not generally want citizenship so they could vote or hold a public office; and as for "medical and welfare care", while arguments for or against are beyond the scope of this discussion, it's currently available to permanent residents as well (including to those who don't even want it).

The main reason for people, myself included, to need citizenship is to feel safe that they can remain in Australia, no matter what, including for example if Australia faces a deep economic depression and therefore sends away all its non-citizens (including permanent residents). The next common reason is to have a good passport that allows one to travel to, or at least transit through, practically any country. The third common reason is that citizenship gives your relatives a few more migration-points when you sponsor their migration.

If it were just a matter of voting and holding public offices, then I wouldn't have bothered.

The root of the problem of needing citizenship, boils down to the arrogance and cruelty of states which deny people access to the land which they claim as "theirs" - in the case of Australia, this whole vast continent, which is not of their creation.

You complain about people who "have criminal intent against our values and freedoms" - but what about the crimes of the state itself against the freedoms of others? Politicians are full of themselves, thinking that their "laws, culture and values" are the best and the most liberal, but are they?!?

What they are looking for are people to share their mediocre values. Yes, they could theoretically pick up some people of inferior values (although in practice, those people would simply cheat and answer whatever they expect), but in that process they will also screen out those of superior values to theirs, who could instead uplift their society.

Josephus,

Yes. That's a real problem. The immigrants themselves might very well make good citizens, but their offspring can, and sometimes do, turn out to be no good at all; our would-be terrorists fit into that category. But, like the rest of us born here, their citizenship is automatic, and we cannot start putting conditions on citizens born of immigrant parents.

There is nothing we can do about people born here. The dummies who came up with multiculturalism and non-discriminatory immigration were warned, but they took no notice.

We could do something about the future by banning all immigration from some parts of the world, but our useless politicians do not have the courage to do that. The best we can hope for is someone in the near future will have the will and the power to bring all immigration, apart from what is actually needed, to a halt.

Firstly, what are we going to do with second-generation immigrants who fail the immigration test? Their parents’ countries of origin are unlikely to take them.

Secondly, does here anyone - who supports this xenophobic dog-whistle from the federal government, that would be no different to what we've already got - actually understand why offending and radicalisation are more prevalent in second-generation immigrants?

(You didn't even know they were more prevalent in second-generation immigrants, did you?)

Apparently not, because if you did, then you would realise that Josephus’s suggestion would actually make the problem worse.

A lot worse.

Foxy, the contents of our gaols demonstrates that certain ethnic
groups have a higher criminal content than everyone else.
That is why we have a Middle Eastern Crime Squad.
We used to have an Asian crime squad but I have not heard of it for some time.
A J Phillips makes the point about the children of migrants being
the real problem. That is probably natural as the parents being older
will not be so active in crime because they have responsibility for children.
The existence of the Goulburn Super Mosque is an example of the problem.

The children are the major part of the problem. I suspect that the
terrorism inclined group is smaller than the criminal inclined group.
The deportation of the children would be solved if the law said they
have their parents nationality until their parents became naturalised
say 20 years after arrival. It is complicated.

In France their are 15000 yes 15000 which I suspect is very conservative who are on high watch. How could any law enforcement manage to monitor that many Islamic terrorist. Give it another generation or two and the numbers will be massive. All thanks to the wonderfully unelected EU and its lefist allies.

//Perhaps we need to target all persons turning 18 with the citizen Test upon which they sign to abide by our laws, culture and values. The privilege of citizenship should allow one to vote and receive medical and welfare care.//

So basically we come up with a system where people who struggle with exams really get the rough end of the pineapple, rather than just worse job prospects than people who are good at exams. I'd be fine, but it's a bit hard on the people with learning disabilities. And it sounds eerily similar to the plot of a sci-fi movie I saw a trailer for a while ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FbQoI8P7c4

Tories... they're a worry.

For a more intelligent take on the value of citizenship tests, I was fortunate enough to catch a BBC radio show called 'Paul Sinha's Citizenship Test', in which he takes a satirical look at the British citizenship test. It's awfully good. Sadly no longer on the BBC website, but I managed to track down the first two episodes.

http://www.mixcloud.com/discover/paul-sinhas-citizenship-test/

Could we make quite sure that our bigamy laws will be enforced and that Islamic texts like the Koran will be treated under 18C as hate speech?

Radicalisation is in fact, a manifestation of divided loyalty.

At least trying to ascertain the level,of loyalty to be expected to
the Australian people when new people profess to want to become Australian
and to also set down firm requirements and penalties for non compliance is
finally a commonsense approach to immigration.

Because this was not done sooner, we are now having problems that even blind freddy
can see. It's a shame when killings had to start on home soil, (re terror attacks.)
before the hippie love and tolerance lot, would even allow discussion of these things.
Even now they refuse to understand the evident realities of their policies, and continue
to bow and scrape with more and more sickening, gutless appeasement, to those
who would seek to tear down our culture in favour of their own with its criminally outdated thinking and ideas. Ideas that enslave people, particularly women and
especially young girls, but also men as well.

Hate it, don't want a bar of it, for my children or theirs.