"Law Abiding Firearms Owners group begins billboard campaign against ALP"
http://www.northqueenslandregister.com.au/story/4541594/new-gun-lobby-targeting-marginal-labor-seats/

Coincidentally the LAFO's spokesman's surname is Howard, the same as John Winston Howard, ex-PM and "Father of the Australian Gun Lobby" (an unintentional impregnation!!)

John Howard was a fraud along with his Port Arthur crap and the gun buy back.
Why can't I have gun?
If I shoot someone and it is a criminal act then I suffer the consequences just the same as any other crime committed.
I was in the bank the other day and some kid walked in to do a clients banking.
He had a 9mm Glock on his hip.
What a load of crap.

When I was a child living in London in the 1950's gun crime was very rare. After many legal upgrades stopping more and more guns what has happened? Nowadays gun crime is an everyday occurrence and the murder rate is ten times what it was and with illegal guns freely available.
Of course the only guns concerning the coppers in the UK and in Australia are the ones citizens hold. Drug dealing, gun carrying Sydney Gangsters pay off the cops and kill each other as in London. The left whinge of course hate guns but love the drug dealing, gun carrying criminals protected by the aptly named "Middle Eastern Crime Squad", what a joke!

"The recently formed Law Abiding Firearm Owners Inc. (LAFO)" I am always skeptical when these sorts of newly formed organizations come crawling out of the woodwork, and suddenly are splashing money around like confetti!

Issy, can you enlighten me as to where all the dosh came from to pay a 12 month lease on a large, rather expensive, sign in Townsville.

The Gunnies in Australia have a past history of being financed by sinister foreign gun interests. Could this be more of the same, conservative foreign gunnies, and who knows who, trying once more to interfere in Australian domestic politics? Is it the Mafia? Just asking, as I always do.

Issy, I'm back from NZ and ready to go!

Yes Paul it is the Mafia, Chinese, Russian or even Italian. Up your medication mate.
How big a market do we have here for "Guns", think matey?
The Middle Eastern drug gangs bring in their guns and now control the security industry so have unlimited Glock 9mm automatic pistols. I love it that you wet your pants when a fellow Australian has a gun but drug dealing criminal filth do not register any outrage from you at all.

Paul,

""The recently formed Law Abiding Firearm Owners Inc. (LAFO)" I am always skeptical when these sorts of newly formed organizations come crawling out of the woodwork, and suddenly are splashing money around like confetti!

Issy, can you enlighten me as to where all the dosh came from to pay a 12 month lease on a large, rather expensive, sign in Townsville."

Not the faintest idea.
Are billboards expensive in Townsville?

"The Gunnies in Australia have a past history of being financed by sinister foreign gun interests.[referebce?] Could this be more of the same, conservative foreign gunnies, and who knows who, trying once more to interfere in Australian domestic politics?"
[reference, please]
An assertion by Bob Brown or other eminent Greens is not a proper reference.

'Issy, I'm back from NZ and ready to go!'
Welcome back, hope you had a great time.

Thanks Issy, had a fantastic time in NZ, visited the Waipoua Forest, seen the giant kauri trees, including Tane Mahuta, the god of the forest, who am I to argue that a tree can't also be a god. Visited waterfalls, "T" is very big on waterfalls, like the forest she believes they connect you with your "ancestral" past. Went down to Rotorua, picked up two pounamu's (greenstone amulets warn around the neck) for the grand kids, again of much spiritual significance. Gave them to the kids at dinner last night, they were over the moon with them. While in Roto we spent an evening with the tourists at "Tamaki" watching Maori culture, most enjoyable, including the hangi which went with it. Then up to the Bay of Islands where "T" comes from, that included a day at the Waitangi Treaty grounds. Spent 4 exhaustive hours at the Maori Land Court, and several more hours at the library doing research into "T"'s family genealogy, she is back past Captain Cook at the moment, including a direct line to a couple of chiefs.

Spent time with the whanau (family), the boys landed a very cheap "mutton" a couple of days earlier in expectation of our visit. I suspect there is one less sheep in the farmers flock, but I can't say for sure.

How have you been keeping, hope all is well with you.

Hi again Issy,

As we well know. nothing in life is free.
"Are billboards expensive in Townsville?" They well could be, there would have been a cost. And taking it from JBowyer the cost could have been met by the Mafia, he is not sure if it was the Chinese, Russian or Italian, but we wont quibble about their ethnicity, all bad douds.
This site may help you answer your own question;

http://www.paradiseoutdoor.com.au/

Hi mate JBowyer, "Up your medication mate." As I didn't see the title doctor in front of your nic, I'll hold off on that one.
p/s Could you lend me a few quid, mates do that for one another, a "monkey" will do for starters. I'll pay you back some day.

"[reference, please]" Issy, you have always taken my word on these things in the past, what has changed, I have given you many such references before.

http://benhills.com/articles/scams-scoundrels/exposed-gun-lobbys-backers-port-arthur-massacre-australia-demands-action/

Paul,

Your reference is so out of date as to be completely irrelevant and the shock horror that the firearms industry contributes to the finances of the gun lobby seems to me to be contrived.
I thought that all legitimate industries could contribute to the finances of legal groups that furthered their welfare/interests.

If you want to but a gun handgun all the way up to a N15 type or genuine Kalashnikov just come to Cairns or one of the coastal communities you can get some 'ice' while your here.

Sorry I meant M15

Kalasnikovs and Ice, you say?

The resident Greens and 'Progressives' (regressives) will be along shortly to tell you that's OK and for you to hush up and mind your own business.

-Because illegal guns and the ferals who import and use them are not the concern of the George Soros inspired 'gun control' laws we have in Australia,

and

- The Greens and 'Progressives' (regressives) are quite well disposed towards those ethnic outlaw bikie gangs who manufacture the drugs and need their 'gansta' weapons for enforcement and territorial disputes
..(Qld Labor Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk and her sidekick, Ms Yvette D'Ath (Attorney-General of Queensland and Minister for Justice and Minister for Training and Skills!) had as their No1 priority the demolition of the successful anti-bikie VLAD* laws,

and

- Greens and 'Progressives' (regressives) want to decriminalise drugs anyhow.

*VLAD law -Vicious Lawless Association Disestablishment Act 2013 is an act of the Parliament of Queensland, enacted to "severely punish members of criminal organisations that commit serious offenses". [Wiki}

Are you lot really trying to say most of the guns in criminal hands are smuggled from over seas?

What rot.

The vast majority are stolen from farms, houses and businesses where lackadaisical security is shoveling weaponry into the hands of those who would do us harm and I'm bloody sick of it.

From just last week;

“Police said 130 handguns including revolvers and semi-automatics were stolen from Barry and Son Firearms in Beckenham on the night of March 11. The guns are valued at about $5,000 each on the black market, taking the total value of the stolen firearms to $650,000.”

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-22/handguns-stolen-from-beckenham-business-in-organised-heist/8377090

Or this one from January;

“Gun-toting masked thieves have made off with a number of hand guns after holding up a camping and hunting store in Melbourne's north around lunchtime. The thieves stormed the South Morang Hunting, Fishing and Camping store on Murdoch Road about 12.15pm on Tuesday.”
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/guntoting-masked-thieves-steal-guns-from-south-morang-hunting-store-20170124-gtxsgw.html

Or just from storage lockers;
“The victim said numerous items were missing, including a .22-caliber pump rifle”
http://www.myleaderpaper.com/news/police_fire/gun-camping-equipment-more-stolen-from-storage-unit-at-a/article_385480dc-05f0-11e7-a332-cf5513c3d2eb.html

Or from peoples homes;
“GUN and knives were stolen from a Mirani home while the owners were away for work. There were three guns, ammunition and a collection of knives stolen from the Katey Cres, Mirani residence.”
https://www.dailymercury.com.au/news/guns-ammunition-and-knives-stolen-from-home/3130666/

This is just a small sample of gun thefts from this year alone.

I have owned a number of weapons in the past and I have no problem with farmers or those whose jobs involve firearms having weapons.

What pisses me off are those going out and buying guns just because they think it is their god given right. With the industry they've lobbied and cajoled politicians into diluting laws and spitting into the faces of what most Australians want for our country, one without US style gun crime, one where a father can take his family to a tourist attraction without a nutter blowing them away.

Through your so called hobby you wannabes are supplying our crooks with hundreds of guns.

Every death caused by those thieved weapons are on your heads.

Tossers.

All that proves is that the George Soros inspired 'gun control' laws do not deter nor prevent criminals from illegally obtaining and using firearms.

The fact remains that Greens and 'Progressives':

- are soft on criminals, particularly the ethnic bikie gangs that deal in drugs and are creating mayhem with drive-by shootings in western Sydney and elsewhere

- are forever talking up and boosting criminals' rights and do not accord victims of crime and the law-abiding public anywhere near the same consideration or rights

and

- Labor, Greens and other 'Progressive' (regressive) elements roll logs in the road of any police initiative to protect the public, particularly school children from drug traffickers.

..Another example, where that mindless Greens headline-hunting showboat Shoebridge opposed drug dogs that were to deter the thousands of drug deals being done openly in public places and especially at music festivals and night spots where young people gather.

Crates of arms are imported from overseas. It doesn't suit SteeleRedux, 'who once owned guns', from admitting it.

Hear, hear, Steele spot on again.

Under his previous pseudonym of OTB, Leoj advocated an armed privately trained citizens militia to administer the "law" where the command felt it necessary. These good citizens were to receive their training through fronts masquerading as gun clubs, real Dodge City stuff, as Leoj do you still hold with that guff?

The above gels with his unsubstantiated, rabid claims, that progressive Labor and Greens are "soft" on crime. If soft means shoot first and ask no questions later, I would have to agree.

Steele,

"What pisses me off are those going out and buying guns just because they think it is their god given right. With the industry they've lobbied and cajoled politicians into diluting laws and spitting into the faces of what most Australians want for our country, one without US style gun crime, one where a father can take his family to a tourist attraction without a nutter blowing them away"

Reference please, which laws have been watered down?

"Through your so called hobby you wannabes are supplying our crooks with hundreds of guns.
Every death caused by those thieved weapons are on your heads"

and every person whose car is stolen is responsible for any deaths or damage caused by that car.
We could carry your 'logic' further but it'd be rather boring.

On origin of weapons, see:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-26/source-of-illicit-guns-in-australia/6483762

"MORE than one gun a day is lost or stolen in SA, prompting calls for a crackdown on “irresponsible” owners amid fears the weapons are falling into criminal hands."

"The Advertiser can reveal that 2294 guns have been reported as missing in the past four years"

From the SA Advertiser 11th April 2016.

The ratbag not so liberal, not so democratic Senator David Leyonhjelm has said gun control laws have already gone too far. Leyonhjelm has tried several times to trade his senate vote to the Turnbull Governement in return for watered down gun laws. In NSW the two Shooters Party LC members are always trying to negotiate softer gun laws from the Coalition Government in return for their support in the upper house

Dear Is Mise,

Don't be a dingbat.

There is a vast difference between a car used by criminals in a getaway compared to a lethal weapon in their hands.

As to firearm rules being eroded in NSW the 28 day waiting period has been abolished for anyone wishing to purchase the same type of firearm to one they have already registered, regard-less of their criminal record or mental state. There is no longer the requirement to show just cause for owning extra firearms.

The number of firearms stolen nationally in 2013-14 was 2901. The following year it had risen to 3524. That is a jump of 20% in a single year and there is no indication it is slowing. So an extra 6000 weapons now circulating in the criminal classes in Australia from just 2 years. The crazy thing is it is people like you who will now try and make the case for more firearms to protect us from the increase in armed criminals that your hobby has created.

As I said a bloody lot irresponsible, second amendment wannabe tossers.

How often do the Greens and those George Soros* inspired (and often Soros 'Open Society' supported) 'gun control' activists prove true that, "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

It is their deliberate misuse of stats, such as where 'n' is a small number, inferring that any small change is very large, when it isn't at all. Of course there are the outright 'wobblies' as well to contend with. -When a Greens lips are moving it is only to be expected..

While the incidence of crimes using firearms was low and trending further downwards before and after the Soros-inspired 'gun control' regulations of wedge-politician John Howard, it is also a fact that concealable weapons, pistols, have become the weapon of choice of the criminal, drug-dealing gangs who are very largely responsible for firearms crime. That applies in the UK too, to take another example and is despite the more restrictive UK regulations where pistols are concerned.

That, succinctly put by independent analysts, is the real problem that Greens and other 'Progressives' (regressives) are embarrassed by and refuse to admit or apologise for of course, that, the growth in crime involving violence and concealable weapons is attributable to criminal gangs dealing in drugs.

Now it also happens that western governments has been stupid and uncaring enough to import migrants with cultures of violence, where violence is the first resort and life is cheap. That has been remarked upon by departing Commissioners of Police, in NSW for example.

The knee-jerk reaction of the international socialist 'Progressives' has been denial and efforts to ensure that the facts and their truths are buried. For instance, by banning collection of statistics relating to the ethnicity of offenders, which has even extended to censorship of essential identifying details of sought offenders in serious crimes such as rape.

*Soros
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/05/16/panama-papers-reveal-george-soros-deep-money-ties-to-secretive-weapons-intel-firm.html

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/10/06/soros-loses-challenge-to-insider-trading-conviction/?_r=0

Steele,

"Don't be a dingbat.

There is a vast difference between a car used by criminals in a getaway compared to a lethal weapon in their hands."

I won't.
If a criminal steals 'A' and uses it to kill, you say that the owner (victim of crime) is partly responsible; yet you also say that if a criminal steals 'B' and uses it to kill, then the owner (victim of crime) is in no way responsible. LOL!

Your example of a watered down law is pathetic.
I hold A,B,G and H licences and as such the police keep tabs on me, if I apply for a Permit to Acquire for an air gun, why should I have to wait 28 days for a police check to be done, when it is just a matter of FAR using their computer to find the status quo?

28 minutes would be a reasonable time or half an hour, just to round it off.

Why do you direct your ire at the law-abiding businessmen and gun owners?
Do you want to protect the criminals?

Funny that everytime the Shooters, Fishers and Farmers Party MsP want to change the law so that those who commit crimes with firearms are sentenced additionally for the firearm crime, the Greens and Labor oppose it.
Looking after their mates?

Most people are awake to the appalling antics and chronic blame-shifting of the Greens, especially NSW's Greens Eastern Bloc.

They are in denial about criminal gangs, drugs and violence and would conceal from public view the growing influence of ethnic criminal gangs and drug manufacturing and trafficking in patched bikie gangs.

Reportedly the ethnic takeover is by criminal gangs, many of whom can't even ride a motorcycle apparently. They are in it for the millions flowing from drugs and control of gang territory.

Why is it that one of the very first priorities of the Labor, Greens and other 'Progressive' (regressive) elements when Labor's Annastacia Palaszczuk became Premier in Qld was the immediate nobbling and destruction of the successful anti-bikie VLAD* laws? It has been the obsession of Palaszczuk government and AGAINST the advice of police, business and the wishes of the electorate, in the Gold Coast particularly.

*VLAD law -Vicious Lawless Association Disestablishment Act 2013 is an act of the Parliament of Queensland, enacted to "severely punish members of criminal organisations that commit serious offenses". [Wiki}

"Most people are awake to the appalling antics and chronic blame-shifting of the Greens, especially NSW's Greens Eastern Bloc."

LeoW Most people are not aware of what is after all a figment of your imagination. Like the playground bully you try to invoke the notion of being right, usling that old "most people" agree with me myth. No doubt it gives you comfort, that sense of being within the large majority, while us poor little Greens are out in the cold, all on our lonesome. As a race hating Hansonite when have you been the majority? Care to provide evidence of that ridiculous claim!

Quite true, Paul, if most people were aware of the lying that the Greens do, especially their MsP, then they would get even fewer votes.

Gee Issy, and we were just starting to get on so well. And to think I was considering giving your Shooters and Hooters Party my 42nd preference at the next election. Its all off!
About that sign in Townyville . Who paid for it, which Mafia, how much, or did you have dosh left over from that big handout from the Yanky National Rifle Association.

p/s Can you get me Charlie Heston's autograph, and Al Copone's, for my collection? Sorry I forgot, Al's dead, not in a fit state to sign anything, Charlies will have to do, assuming he is still with us.

No need to reinforce my assertion, Paul.

Issy, is the big bad sign still standing in downtown Townyville since Debbie past by? Or did the divine wind blow it away?