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Vaccination critic: party banned by one-man council

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Hey AJ Philips,
Andrew Wakefields shares his story and also details a whistleblower from the CDC explaining a deliberate effort to cherry-pick and cover up data related to Autism and the MMR vaccine.
Numerous parents of Autistic kids shared their stories, doctors who had defended vaccines and administered them for decades were given time to look over the facts; they felt betrayed and now tell their patients the truth and that they do not recommend the MMR vaccine.

I support the arguments made at the end of the film; namely:

1/ That Congress subpoena Dr. William Thompson and investigate the CDC fraud.
2/ That Congress repeal the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act and hold manufacturers liable for injury caused by their vaccines.
3/ That the 'single' measles, mumps, and rubella vaccines be made available immediately.
4/ That all vaccines be classified as pharmaceutical drugs and tested accordingly.

Do you have some kind of issue with that?
If so well tough luck I suppose.

"Which studies?"
All of them. The documentary claims there are NO studies that compare vaccinated against non-vaccinated.
It claims that if these studies were done a link between MMR and Autism would be shown.

It also claimed that the current exponential growth rate would result in 1 in 2 kids have ASD by 2032, 80% of them boys.

I support further investigation on the issue.
How exactly can I lose this argument?
You can still lose, if there's any truth to the claims you're dismissing.
Even a kid with ASD could probably figure that one out.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 12 March 2017 11:39:10 PM
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Armchair Critic,

There’s no need to give me a rundown of the film. I’ve seen it before. I’m well aware of just how filled with emotive and unreliable anecdotal testimony it is.

<<It claims that if these studies were done a link between MMR and Autism would be shown.>>

Oh, were you talking about the rates of autism between vaccinated and non-vaccinated children? That by itself still wouldn’t be very good proof regardless of what the results were, as correlation does not imply causation. If it did, then we'd also have to blame autism on organic food sales:

http://fitrecovery.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/organic-autism.png

and I don't think the organic, gluten-free, non-GMO, Paleo, nature woo quackery movement would be too happy with that.

Anyway, I could link you to numerous studies discrediting the alleged vaccine-autism link, but you’d only write them off as “Big Pharma” propaganda. So there's no point, really.

<<It also claimed that the current exponential growth rate would result in 1 in 2 kids have ASD by 2032, ...>>

The increase in diagnoses is the direct result of a net-widening due to a broader understanding of what ASD is.

<<You can still lose, if there's any truth to the claims you're dismissing.>>

Or I could simply change my mind. It’s a possibility that my non-conspiratorial frame of mind allows for.

<<Even a kid with ASD could probably figure that one out.>>

This is a very ignorant and offensive comment. People on the autism spectrum are often extremely intelligent. My four-year-old daughter is at the high-functioning end of the autism spectrum and is already reading at a fourth-grade level. She could count to twenty almost as soon as she could talk. The psychologist who diagnosed her said she had the cognitive abilities of a nine-year-old. So I don’t know what you mean by, “Even a kid with ASD …”

People with ASD have more pronounced strengths and weaknesses than the rest of us but they are not diseased or defective, as anti-vaxxer nutters would have us believe.
Posted by AJ Philips, Monday, 13 March 2017 12:45:31 AM
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Hey AJ Philips,

"This is a very ignorant and offensive comment. People on the autism spectrum are often extremely intelligent."

Given the thread refers to vaccinations I can see it really wasn't in good taste to say what I did.
Though I didn't specifically state that I held an opinion that 'all kids with ASD are less intelligent', I accept my comment might've implied this.
I do accept that many kids with Autism are very intelligent and my comment seemed ignorant of this.

In a way I support my right to say ignorant and somewhat offensive things;
I frown at political correctness and social justice ideals, and I don't like the general concept of everyone continually blowing hot air up each others rear ends to reassure each other they are good people...

A person might use the saying 'easy as falling off a log' without consideration of whether another person may have actually fallen off a log at one point in their lives and injured themselves.
(Though that can't really be compared to what I said and I accept that.)
So I oppose the general idea that we have to check off every single potential 'point of potential offense' before saying anything.

With that said, I wasn't aware you had a daughter with ASD, that comment wasn't intended to be deliberately offensive 'on a personal level' if it was and I'm sorry if you were offended by it in that way.
I can sometimes make short and offensive comments, but I would not seek to deliberately do so in an underhanded or spiteful manner.
I don't like the idea of self-censoring myself or my opinions, but if I'd known I'd have chosen my words more carefully.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 13 March 2017 12:58:49 PM
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I think it was a misguided attempt to put ASD onto vaccinations. Some of our greatest achievers this world has seen were autistic.
Posted by doog, Monday, 13 March 2017 9:28:53 PM
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