Hi Toni,

The lovely Foxy posted this link on another thread, on how to suck people into any scam, Trump being the case in point:

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/433554/donald-trump-art-seduction

I think it's absolutely brilliant !

Cheers,

Joe

//Nobody conducted those controlled tests to "prove" HIV causes AIDS//

Fair point - most of my training is in chemistry and to a lesser extent physics, where experiments are routine. In biology and medicine things are often done by observation rather than experiment, because of ethical constraints. Ethics committees tend to be less concerned about the fate of simple molecules than they do about the fate of people and even laboratory animals.

//It can't hurt to double check things.//

Attempting to replicate the results? Scientists do that all the time, AC. Did you miss the bit where I pointed out that no other researchers were able to replicate Wakefield's results? They've already double checked them. They've triple checked them and quadruple checked them etc. How many times would you have them check things? Until they get the result you want?

//And your kid catches the disease from my kid//

Why do you assume I'm only concerned about communicable diseases? A routine childhood vaccination, which I had booster shot of a few years ago when my sister had a child, is the DPT triple shot - diptheria, pertussis (whooping cough) and tetanus. They're all nasty diseases, but only diptheria and pertussis are communicable. Tetanus does not spread between people.

And you know what? I still don't want any poor bastard getting tetanus because their parents were neglectful morons. The main symptom of tetanus is muscle spasms which can be so severe that they fracture bones which last for three to four weeks. Other symptoms include fever, sweating, headache, trouble swallowing, high blood pressure, and a fast heart rate. Mortality is about 10%. I don't think that's something any child should be subjected to because they were unfortunate enough to be born to arseholes

But maybe you think a bit of tetanus is character building. I do have pause for thought, however, into what anti-vaxxers overseas make of the rabies vaccine? Rabies is a particularly nasty little virus - if you get it and you get your vaccine before the onset of symptoms, you will probably be OK. If you don't, you will almost certainly die - only 5 people have ever survived rabies without receiving the vaccine, and the treatment they received - the 'Milwaukee protocol' - has only been effective 5 out of the 36 times it has been used.

I wonder if any hardcore anti-vaxxers would stick to their guns and refuse rabies vaccine in the face of an almost certain death sentence for their child?

//The lovely Foxy posted this link on another thread, on how to suck people into any scam, Trump being the case in point//

Are you suggesting that I emulate the Trumpenfuhrer in my quest to have people see sense when it comes to vaccination?

Vaccines, you know, they're just great. Really great. They're gonna make Australia great again, because we're gonna have the best kids in the world. Our kids are gonna be so much healthier than all the others. These Mexicans, you know, they just let their kids die of measles, but we're gonna have big strong healthy kids. It's gonna be great.

Vaccination is a controversial issue at the moment.
We have the "No Jab No Play," legislation in Victoria.
Before enrolling your child in childcare you have to
prove that your child has been immunised. There are
adds on television to this effect telling parents
what they must do.

I believe that people are entitled to have different
opinions on this issue. What I don't believe they are
entitled to however, is to put other children at risk
because of their beliefs. And there are so many child-hood
deseases that can be preventable nowadays. Why on earth
would you put your own child and other children at risk?

Councils have to go with what their electorates feel
strongly about and obviously in this case - they feel
strongly enough to have taken action against Mr Wolfe's
opinion not to allow him a public space to air his views.
Especially when they are promoting vaccination for a safe
and healthy environment for children.

It makes sense. At least to me as a mother and a grandmother.

For sake what is wrong with you people.
If something is the law then you comply or suffer the consequences.
You just don't make up your mind to completely ignore the law.
If the law is you vaccinate the you do so or suffer whatever the penalty is.