Jayb,

" Luckily though a T Shirt would stop a 9mm at 50m"

So why do you want to go out to 400 when faced with an inferior .38 revolver?

I am not stepping into that discussion except to say that on the range there are some light pistol loads used for targets.

A modern factory load hollowpoint 9mm will punch a neat hole through 50mm structural pine at 200X and would likely do the same at 400X, or 600X. Maximum range of harm - be guided by the manufacturer.

I sympathise with police officers who may not get enough regular practice, esp in a realistic situation. That make a big difference. Police should have their subs and expenses, mileage and ammunition, paid for a pistol club and range of their choice.

Where they are required to use a long arm and yes, a semi-automatic rifle [F88 Austeyr] should be carried in the boot of police vehicles and by officers in public at their discretion, their practise should also be catered for.

For interest, 9mm at 1,000X and rang the steel plate. You wouldn't like to be catching the bullet in your flannelette pocket,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=jJ3XwizTqDw#t=0

Is mise: So why do you want to go out to 400 when faced with an inferior .38 revolver?

Less chance of getting hit, eh. ;-)

The 9mm ammo we used in Vietnam had a MV of 980fps, Pistol ammo. Then thye uped it to 1300 with the new ammo for the F1.

Come to think of it, aren't the Police Glocks .4", not 9mm?

OK Nick, you can play too.

leoj: 9mm at 1,000X and rang the steel plate.

Special Pistol & Special ammo, 148 Grain load. That would blow an ordinary 9mm pistol to bits. That's a big difference to 117/123 Grain for Pistol/ Submachine Pistols.

Still, a bloody good shot. About 150 feet up & one hell of a drop. Did you notice that the target Rang like a bell when he hit it with his hand?