Steel, super stream is a great idea, however one flaw is that if you get the total figure wrong by just one cent, the funds are returned. I think a better system wold be to either credit your account for over payments, or send a bill for unders. But in any case its a huge step forward.

Aiden, try living in the real world for a change!

Doog, each one of my staff love coming to work because they are well respected and well looked after. That in itself tells me im a good employer. In any case im not in the business of pleasing the likes of you.

Mikk, im not advocating anything, merely providing reasons as to why this occurs.

Is Mis, there is a catch as for one to employ a contractor as opossed to staff, that contractor can't generate more than 80% of their income from one scourse.

Paul, there are thousands of small businesses in Oz, so if the average is $63K (i recall you said $68K) then there are some making millions, and others not even making a living, at least on the books anyway.

Again, i don't support underpayments, nor do i participate. Get it!

As for your India comment, comparing us with them, all i can say is Oh dear! you have such a great imagination.

Like it or not folks, business people are in it to make money, and so long as laws strip them of their potential incomes, they will break the laws.

Off topic, but the latest tactic from the gov is to strip wealthy seniors of their life long earned entitlements. This will see to it that inheritance becomes a thing of the past, meaning more people will be relying on welfare in generations to come. All governments do is piss into a fan, constantly.

"As for your India comment, comparing us with them, all i can say is Oh dear! you have such a great imagination."

I said it was put forward by your sidekick IS MISE, I don't know what Model you favor, possibly the BANGLADESH MODEL where the official minimum rate is $68 a month. Again I am sure there are under payers in Bangladesh.

Sorry about that typo, but what's $5,000 when your doing it so tough.

Is your chop Shop squeezed in between a 7/Eleven and a 'Bakers Delight' store? It is not whether you do the right thing, which you claim you do, but you try and justify small business lawbreakers. You seem to have a double standard.

Paul, as i have said i don't support underpayment of wages, i am simply pointing out why it is happening and the fact that i fully understand why.

You see hospitality for some reason has been plagued with double time on Sundays, meaning the labour component of a coffee on Sundays is double that of any normal week day.

Notwithstanding the fact that SB owners have lobbied for change, and this has fallen on deaf ears, owners of small businesses have had to matter into their own hands which is why cash is often paid.

While I understand you wanting workers to be paid double on Sundays, you have no sympathy for the owner who not only takes the risk, but gets paid less for their troubles.

As I say, you either get used to it, loose jobs, or fix the wage system because you cant have it all.

rehctub, I take that to mean you've got no evidence at all, for in the real world there's a huge amount of real underemployment.

Ok now your employees love coming to work, because of the benefits involved. and everybody else is doing it tough. So the way to fix the problem is to cut wages, so how low do you go, or is the floor price negotiable. Slave labor is illegal. The FWA sets the wage limits as that is what is required for that aged person to survive. But your idea is to scrap that and not to be worried about consequences.

Maybe there is tooo many coffee shops in existence. Real wages are down, and coffee has to take the back seat. How can an economy grow if people can't afford to bye the products available. This will always be the case with a liberal govt; They are not interested in coffee shops, you support the wrong type of govt, to get anywhere.
Abbott couldn't afford what GMH wanted to stay in AU. But there is money for Alcoa. Abbott gave 15 million to a chocolate factory. So our hospitals can fix more obese persons. It's a matter of where your priorities stand.

Dear Doog,

«The FWA sets the wage limits as that is what is required for that aged person to survive.»

OK, so people want to survive, but what have employers to do with it?

Forcing a particular group of people (in this case "employers") to ensure that everyone is able to survive, is no different than doing the same with different arbitrary groups, say "those who were born on a Tuesday".

So-called "employers" and so-called "employees" are simply people who happened to make a contract between them: one supplies money the other supplies labour - it's no different than the sale of a car or a piece of furniture. If I buy a car from you, that doesn't make me responsible to ensure that you will use the money wisely and not go hungry the week after.

In order to stop slavery, a truly worthwhile cause, the link between survivability and labour must be severed. This can be achieved by a universal and unconditional minimal income - specifically not conditioned on one's work or willingness to work.