"Greens MP David Shoebridge will be beginning a trip to Trump’s America today to discuss gun control policies, compare the two countries’ gun lobbies and what it might all mean under a Trump Administration.
While Australia is considered by many the envy of the world when it comes to gun control laws, there is a growing and disturbing gun culture in Australia that is perpetuated by a growing number of pro-gun MP’s in Parliaments across the country.
In Austin, Denver, Baltimore, Washington, New York and Boston David will be meeting with politicians, academics, emergency services personnel, victims and families, and gun control advocates. An itinerary is available on request......"

From David Shoebridge's Facebook site.

Hope the taxpayer isn't paying for this little jaunt!!

Is Mise, this is not a jaunt, this is one of the states most active politicians doing his job. Surly you would be in favor of our representatives gaining the necessary knowledge to make informed decisions on relevant issues.
A jaunt would be like when Fat Bob from The Shooters and Hooters Party went off to Africa to kill eight endangered elephants. What are Shooter doing for the festive season, getting into the sprite of things, and going off to Lapland to bag a bunch of Santa's reindeer, there goes Dancer, Prancer and Blitzen. Maybe they will stay at home and blow away a few koala's. its more than I can bear!

//Greens MP David Shoebridge will be beginning a trip to Trump’s America today//

Given that man is a dendrophile, I can only assume that this voyage will be made on a wind or solar powered boat of some kind. Because if he's flying, that hardly demonstrates the commitment to reducing GHG emissions that you'd expect of a hippy. He could get the answers he wants just as easily by staying home and skyping these Americans he needs to speak with (using solar power, of course), at a fraction of the monetary, energy and fossil fuel cost. But he'd rather have a nice holiday overseas.

//Surly you would be in favor of our representatives gaining the necessary knowledge to make informed decisions on relevant issues.//

I am, but there's more than one way to skin a cat. If you're a hippy, why would you select the method that burns the most fossil fuels? It doesn't make any sense.

"Surly you would be in favor of our representatives gaining the necessary knowledge to make informed decisions on relevant issues."

Of course, Paul, but as he has already shown his "expertise" in this field, why would he need to go to the US?

I'd call Sandalplank a grub but grubs are quite useful to nature and one should not insult them.

To the Right Honourable David Shoebridge and the various posters on this topic I have to steal a line from the movie "National Lampoon's European Vacation" - Oink oink my good man! I would like to emphasize that I do not mean this in a nasty, jealous way but in David's huge fight against intercontinetal air travel.

You are a rather tiresome lot, not to mention ignorant to boot. Toni please do not use words you do not know the meaning of. If a person was a dendrophile, they may suffer some degree of angst should they be upon a wooden sailing ship, possibly an uncomfortable feeling being in the company of dead loved ones. Where as such a person could be contented in an an all metal and plastic jet airliner not powered by a fuel derived from plant material.

Jbowyer, David seen no need to assume the hackneyed title of "Honorable" when entering parliament, as did the likes of The Honorable Eddie Obeid and The Honorable Tweedle Dumb and The Honorable Tweedle Even Dummer, from The Shooters and Hooters Party, a trio of the most dishonorable parliamentarians you could find.

Is Mise, you old conservationists. What gun do you recommend be used to shoot grubs? I assume Fat Bob used an Elephant Gun to shoot all those endangered elephants. You shooters, you old conservationists, certainly have a novel way of taking animals off the endangered list, you shoot them all and put then on the extinct list. as you guys like to say "Its as dead as a Dodo!" So is this topic.

Paul, please accept my unreserved apology for referring to the greedy, lazy hypocrite politician as "Honourable". Of course the reference to pigs was doubly unfortunate as the pig is a noble and intelligent creature.
It must be my old fashioned manners because I did say I did not want to be nasty.
Now take a leaf out of my book and recognise that the Shooters Party have their support. If it does not agree with you, too bad it is called Democracy matey!

//Toni please do not use words you do not know the meaning of//

Dendrophile (noun): one who loves trees.

Although given what a reckless environmental vandal Shoebridge appears to be, maybe he does not have the dendrophilic tendencies of most of his fellow Greens.

//jet airliner not powered by a fuel derived from plant material.//

The ones used by FairyLand Airways that are towed by flying unicorns?

Toni, algae and zooplankton, I do not consider the origins of petroleum to be of the plant material you were referring to. It is impossible to have a deep and meaningful relationship with algae, Davo tried it and it ended in divorce. I make an exception for you guys when it comes to zooplankton, its good to be in tune with those of the same mental capacity when forming a relationship!

Great post Paul, your arrogance shines throughout it like a huge beacon on a mountain top.

I hope you have read the current OLO recommended post on "Skeptic Lawyer", it gives a graphic description of you & your type.

I doubt you could have read it, as it describes all the mistakes the Democrats made in the election of Trump, which you exhibit here. If you have read it you obviously have not taken advantage of the insight offered, & altered your overbearing arrogance, or even altered your rhetoric to conceal that arrogance.

Perhaps the left/green movement should make Dale Carnegie required reading.

Hassy, glad you could pop out of your local 'Centrelink Office' long enough to make another worthless post. What are you on about?

Paul,

Grubs, the natural kind, can be shot with "Fly" guns, the which hit the fly with a few grains (grains of, not grains weight) of common salt. Should you want one of these toys then you must be a Licenced Shooter as these toys are Category A in NSW.

Is Mise,

You have a gun to shoot everything! Especially people!

When Davo returns from The States he will hopefully be able to enlighten you and other members of the gun happy brigade as to the dangers you so freely embrace. Maybe that is asking too much.

JBowyer, you said "the pig is a noble and intelligent creature." Did you pen that while munching on another ham sandwich? Why do you support the cruel and barbaric treatment of pigs in captivity. Maybe you don't, but the likes of the Shooters and Hooters Party support the status quo when it comes to animal cruelty.

http://www.peta.org/issues/animals-used-for-food/animals-used-food-factsheets/pigs-intelligent-animals-suffering-factory-farms-slaughterhouses/

Paul,

"When Davo returns from The States he will hopefully be able to enlighten you and other members of the gun happy brigade as to the dangers you so freely embrace. Maybe that is asking too much"

ROTFL!! Your funniest post yet!!

David Sandalplank had to go to Texas to find out that guns can be dangerous; maybe the taxpayers' money isn't wasted after all.

//When Davo returns from The States he will hopefully be able to enlighten you and other members of the gun happy brigade as to the dangers you so freely embrace.//

I already know guns are dangerous, Paul. I'd rather listen to the wisdom of the Righteous David Coral-Friend, Guardian of the Low Isles, He That Treads Lightly Upon the Earth, on the subject of climate change and the dangers of the pointless air travel he so freely embraces.

Do you think St. Dave of Airbus might secretly be a full-time climate change denier? Or do the Greens only adopt climate change denialism when it comes to matters of gun safety? Either way, it's not very green is it?

//Grubs, the natural kind, can be shot with "Fly" guns, the which hit the fly//

Grubs aren't flies. They're beetle larvae. Flies are flies, or maggots in the larval stage. Leave the beetles alone, Is Mise. They're more frightened of you than you are of them.

Toni,

The Fly guns actually exist,
http://bugasalt.com/pages/how-gun-works

Note that it's great for shooting flies on windows.

It can't break window glass but in Australia it's a lethal weapon.

//The Fly guns actually exist,
http://bugasalt.com/pages/how-gun-works//

I know. The concept of a gun firing small particles of NaCl to kill flies intrigued me, so I spent 10 minutes or so this morning google-researching it. As far as I can discern, never having held or fired one, they do what they say on the tin and are extremely cool. I want one. Flies piss me off.

Grubs do not. No reason to shoot them.

//It can't break window glass but in Australia it's a lethal weapon.//

In much the same way that a Nerf gun is a lethal weapon: if you were sadistically creative enough, you could kill somebody in a variety of different methods with a Nerf gun. But it would be easier with a hammer, or even just a rock.

NaCl fly guns aren't lethal. That being said, I would think that a rapidly propelled particle of NaCl ending up in somebody's eye is going to hurt like the blazes, even if it causes no lasting damage.

So safety goggles first, people. Then load up and make those flies wish they'd never left the larval stage.

"NaCl fly guns aren't lethal. That being said, I would think that a rapidly propelled particle of NaCl ending up in somebody's eye is going to hurt like the blazes, even if it causes no lasting damage."

True, Toni, yet for some weird reason guns, concealable pistols and sub-machine guns capable of propelling acid and other '...hurtful and irritant liquids" are freely available to any child/adult who wants to buy one and all of them can be lethal.

What we need is evidence based laws, perhaps Sandalplank will find some in his wanderings.

//What we need is evidence based laws//

Yeah, and a cure for cancer, world peace, cold fusion and a reboot of Joss Whedon's 'Firefly' series. But I wouldn't hold my breath.

//perhaps Sandalplank will find some in his wanderings.//

If the Righteous St. David Coral-Friend of Airbus, Guardian of the Low Isles, He That Treads Lightly Upon the Earth, actually intends to walk all the way to the U.S., then I can't really whinge too much. But I reckon he probably can't walk on water as well as Paul would have us believe - men named Paul are generally not to be trusted when reporting on supposed Messiahs - and that he be'll hopping on a plane instead.

The neo-Nazi's and white supremacists have joined forces with the gun lobby, not that we can tell who's who among these far right extremest groups, to deliver an unprecedented amount of 'hate mail' towards David Shoebridge since he announced he would be undertaking a trip to Trump’s America to discuss gun control policies, compare the two countries’ gun lobbies and what it might all mean under a Trump Administration (see David's media release 28th November 2016). Is Mise your opening post contains cut and paste material from that media release, are you a regular reader, or just one of the gun lobbies watch dogs?
Many of these extremists are taking to social media to ridicule David for undertaking this trips, resorting to name calling, innuendo of a sexual nature, and threats. These same people make no mention of the recent US expeditions at taxpayers expense by Shooters and Fishers Party Victorian MP's Daniel Young and Jeff Bourman to garner the latest hate thinking from their financial backers among the powerful US gun lobby.

Got it all back to front as usual Paul.

It's you & the likes of Shoebridge who are the extremists.

Us normal folk simply want the means of catching dinner occasionally & defending our country & people when necessary.

If the average Australian young country kid had not been able to handle a gun, Kokoda would have been a rout, & Australia would have fallen.

"us normal folk", Hassy you are living in a fantasy world thinking the average Australian just wants to act like Daniel Boone and is wanting to be "catching dinner occasionally & defending our country & people when necessary." You are living in the past, Kokoda was 70 years ago, and the merits of your claim would be highly debatable anyway. Your view of the past through rose coloured glasses is understandable, as it is not uncommon for older folk to gain comfort in life by looking backwards towards a very much distorted past, always hankering for those imaginary good old days to return.

The extremism I speak of is there, it is real, and it is today, and not buried in some mythical stylized past. That is what we should be concerned with, and not your fantasy!

//The neo-Nazi's and white supremacists have joined forces with the gun lobby, not that we can tell who's who among these far right extremest groups, to deliver an unprecedented amount of 'hate mail' towards David Shoebridge since he since he announced he would be undertaking a trip to Trump’s America//

So which am I, Paul? A neo-Nazi, a white supremacist or a gun nut?

//These same people make no mention of the recent US expeditions at taxpayers expense by Shooters and Fishers Party Victorian MP's Daniel Young and Jeff Bourman//

Do Dan & Jeff belong to a party which includes action on climate change as one of it's main platforms? Nah, didn't think so. They probably don't even believe in climate change, so them hopping on a plane for no good reason is a not a massive act of hypocrisy like it is for a Greens MP.

As I said before, my objection is not to St. Dave of Airbus discussing gun control policies and comparing the two countries' gun lobbies with his American counterparts. I just want to know why he can't do it over the internet. It is the 21st century, Paul. It's been some time since it has been necessary to go to America just to speak to Americans. Everyone I know can communicate across vast distances - even continents - in essentially real-time. Why can't St. Dave?

Now let me use my awesome psychic powers to predict Paul's answer: 'Guns is dangerous! People what like guns sucks.'

Thanks, Paul. Another fine non-sequitur to add to my collection.

Paul,

How perceptive you are,
" Is Mise your opening post contains cut and paste material from that media release, are you a regular reader, or just one of the gun lobbies watch dogs?"

Are you amazed that my opening post contained material from Sandalplank's page?

Didn't the quotation marks and and the reference tell you something?

I'm a regular reader of his page, he's funnier than you are.
Being a one time active supporter of the Greens in NSW I like to keep up to date on the progress of the Party, mainly to see just how far it will deviate from the founding principles.

Have a look at this, Paul, you might know the bloke!!

http://madmick3006.com/ahngallery/upload/files/2016-11/2ade8278.jpg

Paul those who forget their history, are bound to make the same mistakes in the future.

Once we had Communism, now we have the Greens.

Too many have obviously forgotten how bad little self serving dictatorial clowns can be for society.

Hi All,

Toni, "So which am I, Paul? A neo-Nazi, a white supremacist or a gun nut?" Are you saying you are engaging in 'hate mail' towards David Shoebridge? Being a member of any or all of the above is not a prerequisite for delivering such material. You could be a member of the Catholic clergy and engage in 'hate mail'. I use the term 'hate mail' not in a literal sense but as a general term to cover insulting and or abusive material sent directly or posted indirectly on the internet. David has numerous examples of the direct insults he has received, but he takes it in his stride, he would not be such a good politician if he did not. water off aducks back and all that.

"It's been some time since it has been necessary to go to America just to speak to Americans"
Do you suggest Malcolm Turnbull should remain in Canberra and engage with world leaders through the internet. Maybe he could yak to The Donald with their free on line 'Skype' accounts, or maybe use Facebook, that would save the taxpayers. Are you suggesting people go to China if they want to speak to American, I would choose to go to America to speak to American, but not everyone's the same. Hassy would be in favor of using good old sea mail as the desired form of communication. Where does Greens policy say no traveling in airplanes. Where do I, or The Greens, call for an abolition on all guns.
Toni, your psychic powers are not awesome, in fact in relation to me, they appear not to exists at all.

Is Mise, To answer your question in chronological order:
No, No.

Comment on your claimed one time affiliation with The Greens, Surprised.

Hassy, but you don't like anyone in politics, except perhaps The Abbott, The Donald and Pauline.

Paul,

I asked,
"Didn't the quotation marks and and the reference tell you something?"

To which you answered "No",

Surely such unbounded ignorance is assumed?

I hope so.

As to my association with the Greens, it goes back to before the days of the start of Ian Cohen's political career, Ian was the last real Green conservationist to hold political power, a gentleman of the first order.

"good guy with gun stops knife massacre on collage campus the day he gets there".

"Data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) show that on an average day, 91 Americans are killed with guns."

Is Mise your point is?
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My point is, will Sandalplank tell us all of this coincidence?

I like your statistics, Paul, you forgot to tell us that the number that you mentioned was an average taken over five years and that a breakdown of the figures shews the daily average to be 31 homicides and 56 suicides and that a further breakdown of the figures shews that only 2.2 % of homicides were non-Hispanic whites and that 29.7% were non-Hispanic blacks, one has to presume (in light of insufficient data) that the other deaths were mainly Hispanic and others.

So who is killing whom?

Other statistics from that site shew that the homicide rate is declining in the US, perhaps because more Americans are now carrying concealed pistols and gun sales have gone up.

Do bring up more statistics, Paul, but don't steal Sandalplank's thunder because he'll want to tell us all about the steady decline in gun homicides in the US.

Is Mise, are you over the Moon in the knowledge that good White folk in America are not committing homicides at the same rate as Hispanic and Black people. Also dismissive of the fact that 56 people a day are committing suicide with guns, just bad luck. Do you hope that the majority of suicides are Hispanic or Black, maybe you have some stats. Your post indicates you discount the lives of Hispanic and Black people, compared to good White folk, otherwise you would not have mentioned it, and made such a point. What is the significance? What value do you put on Hispanic and Black lives compared to the lives of good White folk?
I do not differentiate, people are people, and all lives are of equal value.

"perhaps because more Americans are now carrying concealed pistols and gun sales have gone up." Or perhaps because pineapple sales have gone up. You can perhaps anything you like.

Paul,

It was your link that shewed a difference between white and black, but as you ask, it is possible that the blacks commit crime out of proportion to their population percentage.

"it is possible that the blacks commit crime out of proportion to their population percentage."

I will accept that as a statistical fact, but give it no prominence or significance, particularity in relation to gun deaths, the only number of significance to me is 91. Just as if you were to say left handed people commit crime out of proportion to their population percentage. If you were to say that, should I feel good because I am right handed?

If you are not simply being racially motivated, how about answering the questions.

<<Your post indicates you discount the lives of Hispanic and Black people, compared to good White folk, otherwise you would not have mentioned it, and made such a point. What is the significance? What value do you put on Hispanic and Black lives compared to the lives of good White folk?>>

I may also add you discount the value of the lives of people who commit suicide.

Hopefully, David will not return from the US and exclaim: "91 people a day die at the hand of a gun in America, but don't worry, they are mostly Hispanic, Black and suicide losers! Thank god there are not too many good White folk in the numbers, praise the lord!

You brought up the subject.

Paul,

What is significant about the US total suicide rate is that it is not very high compared to other wealthy countries, Australia's we can take as a low benchmark(11/100,000 [0.8 by gun]) although it is high compared to Italy, Spain and the UK.

The US has a total rate of 12.4/100,000 population (with 6.3 being by guns). the Republic of Korea tops at 31.5/100,000 (zero by gun).
Hungary comes next 24.9/100,000 (0.8 by gun).
Japan:23.1/100,000 (zero by gun).
Belgium: 18.4/100,000 (1.2 by gun).
Finland: 17.8/100,000 (3.3 by gun).
France: 16.5/100,000 (2.2 by gun).
Austria: 15.1/100,000 (2.7 by gun).
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-u-s-gun-deaths-compare-to-other-countries/

So Americans are less likely to suicide than many other countries despite the high firearms ownership rates, so we may conclude that owning a gun has nothing to do with a tendency towards suicide.

Perhaps Sandalplank will note this above and this below.

The UNODC World Homicide rates for 192 countries puts the USA below the median.
http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Homicide-rates-across-all-countries.jpeg

//Do you suggest Malcolm Turnbull should remain in Canberra and engage with world leaders through the internet.//

I think he probably already does. He wouldn't be much use as PM if he was overseas all the time. Of course, he is the PM and not some back-bench nobody from a State parliament, so he does have a role to play representing Australia on the international stage that back-bench nobodies do not. The occasional overseas trip is warranted in his case - although that a lot of the time we'd be better off having the Governor-General do it instead, so that we actually get some use out of the buggers. We can pack Peter off overseas to represent us, and keep Malcolm at home to run the country.

//Are you suggesting people go to China if they want to speak to American, I would choose to go to America to speak to American//

No, I'm suggesting they stay home and phone an American. I imagine that Alexander Graham Bell is sitting on a cloud somewhere right now, watching St. Dave make his pilgrimage and scratching his head in bemusement at all these people who have entirely missed the point of his brilliant invention.

//Where does Greens policy say no traveling in airplanes.//

I don't think it does. But if you believed that climate change was a really bad thing wouldn't you want to try and limit your flying to the strictly essential stuff? And if you were a member of political party whose core constituency believes very strongly that climate change is a really bad thing, wouldn't you want to be seen to be limiting your flying to the strictly essential stuff, so as not to appear in the eyes of those who might vote for you as a hypocritical twat that's only paying lip-service to the whole climate change thing to further his own political career?

Is the racists now hiding under his bed sheet!

Is Mise, you failed to answer the questions. Should I assume you value Hispanic and Black lives at a rate of say 1% of the value of the life of good White folk, or is that too high.
Obviously given all your statistical waffle you find 91 deaths a day at the hand of a gun in the US acceptable! I have recalculated given the discount for being Hispanic and Black and the new figure is 1 death a day by gun, and we will assume he is a suicide loser anyway. Problem solved!

If 56 a day is not very high, what is your unacceptable figure? 560, 5600, 56,000, 560,000, 5,600,000, 56,000,000, 560,000,000, sorry take that last figure off, statistically impossible, all Americans would be dead before then.

Toni, when the two Wombles from the Victorian Parliament went to the US on their junket, did you insist they take their guns with them on board the airplane for self protection, and to make a statement about their commitment to gun ownership and their right to self protection . Do you like Is Mise believe guns are perfectly safe and should be allowed to be carried on board airplanes? Do you support the content of this quote;

"Gun Rights Australia (GRA) believes Australians should regain their rights to bear arms for self protection."

The last paragraph of you post, that rubbish about no Greens on airplanes is only a belief of yours and not something others have to embrace. I travel on airplanes without any feelings of guilt.

I think it was necessary for the Wombles to go personally to the US to talk to their friends and financial supporters. Because it is impossible to talk to someone by Bell telephone when they are talking back to you from under a white bed sheet. Is Mise can attests to that, he tried it once with his bed sheet on, he phoned the Grand Wizard Leroy from Alabama who was also wearing his bed sheet at the time, and communication was impossible.

Paul,

Assume what you like; you will.

Why pick the US as the benchmark when so many other countries are much worse in suicides and homicides and some countries, such as Australia, are worse places for vehicle theft, we outranked the US in 2009-12 and the US beat us in 2014.
When we move to burglary and house breaking Australia leads the US in all years
Sourse: UNODC International Burglary, Car Theft and Housebreaking Statistics, 2014.

Perhaps Sandalplank the Tourist will be studying this statistic while he is in the USA?

So Is mise, you're basically saying that many of our crime rates are still high, at least as high as the USA, so criminality is still a part of our culture...

...and yet our homicide rates are far far lower than theirs.

Gee, I wonder why that would be?

Bugsy,

If you wonder, then why don't you do a bit of research and tell us?

It just might be because of the different drug related crime rates or it might just be because African Americans kill each other at a higher rate than other ethnic groups.

Now you're gettin' it! You can interpret the statistics any way you like, throwing out random rates of property crime does not mean anything does it?

I guess we do have fewer African Americans here, but I suspect the ones we do have don't show up on our crime statistics, so it's hard do figure out a relative rate there.

Our national drug rates are comparable, so do drug rates correlate state by state with homicide rates in the USA? It should if there's a causal link.

Before you go telling me to do my own research, remember YOU are the one making up the stories, I just want you to back them up a bit with some actual relevant data analysis.

Is Mise, your topic concerns David Shoebridge going to the US in relation to guns. If there had not been a gun related death there since 1776 there would be little point in such a trip. If all gun deaths were only occurring in say two places in the World, Australia and Mongolia, I would suggest David should go to Mongolia to study gun deaths in another country. Alas that is not the reality, and America is fertile ground to undertake such research.

Now how about answering those question!

Paul,

David Sandalplank could have done his 'research' via the net and saved the taxpayers some money, just as all other politicians, Lib, Nat Labour, Shooters et al, could do.
There is no justification, with the technology that we have today, for 99% of overseas personal contact.
I chat most Sundays with friends in Europe, the UK and the USA, we talk to each other in real time and with real time visuals and it all costs a few cents.

Perhaps your mate lacks computer skills but it's quite easy, I'm sure that he could learn.

The Greens are some of the most prolific spenders of taxpayers' money on travel such as Sarah $1m Young.

Though why they bother I don't know as they bother as their minds are set in concrete, and the only thing that they are looking for is evidence for their prejudices.

I am with you Ise Mise, let's stop all this wasting of our money. They are paid handsomely let them pay their own travel apart from home to parliament. Halve all expenses they are also being rorted.
Really the biggest rort is the "Fringe Benefits Tax". Rich people just start some nonsense charity and then avoid tax by going through "Charity". Make the charities all pay tax including the churches. Then they can be paid for what they actually do for the community with a tax refund. Certain question have to be answered, on line, so we can see what they are up to. No answers no tax refund.
It can never happen as so many rich people, lawyers and politico's are on this rort!

So, how did you meet these 'mates' of yours in Europe Is Mise?

Tinder? Grindr?

Bugsy,

I just go to the site and Skype does the rest; I use a Samsumg laptop with built in video.
It's so simple that even I can manage it and my IT wizard son tells me that I bring a new meaning to the term "computer illiterate" ! !

Oh, you made friends with them on Skype? How did you make friends on Skype?

Answer the question, where did you meet them first?

I asked how DID you meet them, not how DO you meet them?

Chatroulette?

Is Mise, David Shoebridge has a young family and he may well be combining business with pleasure.

Shadow, are you reminding us of Bronwyn (helicopter) Bishop, or all those Coalition MP's who went off to the Gina Rhinoceros wedding at taxpayer expense!

Is Mise I have seen the internet research you do, and its 99% useless.
Is mise apologizes in advance for you following quote. As you said;
"I am so simple that even I can't manage it, and my Grand Wizard son tells me that I bring a new meaning to the term illiterate!"

How about answering my questions, I'm not letting you off the hook.

Is Mise does not believe America has a gun problem because most people who die at the hand of a gun are Hispanic, Black or suicide losers and not good White folk like himself and the Grand Wizard, and he produced the statistics to back it up

Bugsy,

Sorry to have misunderstood your question, I met them on various firearm related sites and we all gravitated to the one site, where we have a chat on a Sunday.
There is no reason that politicians cannot talk much the same way, especially with the resources that the various Governments have at their disposal.

Paul,

You can answer your inane questions yourself and twist the answers any way you wish; as you can't quote accurately and your English usage is getting worse, who knows what you might come up with.

Is Mise, for how long have you had a "thing" about Hispanic and Black people in America. Not to mention the suicide losers. Your deep and meaningful chats on a Sunday, are they with far right nutters and KKK members?

You made reference to Hispanic, Black and suicide victims in America. When I asked what the significance of the references were, you call my questions inane. You must see it as significant otherwise why bother referring to your "stats" in the first place. I think you don't want to answer, as it may paint you as racists etc. I hope I am wrong, but it is hard to draw any other conclusion.

That answers my question perfectly, thanks Is Mise.

It also tells me you have no clue as to how networking actually works.

And by networking, I don't mean the intertoobs.

WWCPD (what would Captain Planet do?)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGegECwSiGY

I reckon he'd Skype.

The Power is Yours!

We can only hope that one day, St. Dave of Airbus sees the light and realises that looting and polluting is not the way.

Bugsy,

You're perfectly right, I don't have a clue on the subject but none the less there are means of communication that are secure and available to Government that overcome the need for personal contact.
Does one suppose that overytime the Chief of the Defence Forces wishes to confer with an opo in the US that he hops on a jet and flies over for a face to face?

My lack of knowledge no way mitigates the wasting of taxpayers' money by the likes of Sandalplank for a holiday jaunt, he could get all the info he needs on Google.

Skype is essentially a telephone call with video. In order to talk to someone, you already have to know their number and have them accept your call. That is, you need to know them somehow.

You won't get to talk to people who you don't know, but probably should. Telecommunications are all well and good for collaborations and communications with particular people, but they aren't the same as face to face meetings or conferences. A lot more can be achieved in shorter time frames if different groups of people with similar interests are in proximity.

All this talk about telecommunications being the be all and end all if you want 'do research' (especially for those you don't like!) is complete BS.

I wonder why Malcolm even bothers to attend APEC meetings, if all he had to do wa Skype in his pyjamas.

You lot are unbelievable.

Bugsy,

"You lot are unbelievable."

Spot on again, dunno how you do it. Unbelievable!!

Bugsy,

As always I have the solution, Malcolm and The Donald could set up accounts on one of those "Dating" sites, Where Mal could check out the Yankee broads and The Donald could rate the Aussie sheilas, not to mention those hot Russian and Asian birds at the same time, world diplomacy. i'm not sure about Malcolm, bur The Donald is an expert at rating the women.
And they could chew the fat at the same time, giving their opinions on that German sheila for example.

Toni and Is Mise, do you guys agree with that suggestion, sounds a winner to me, and not a bed sheet in sight!

Bugsy, that would be a free Skype account for the lads, to really save the taxpayers dollars. have you ever tried a free Skype account, its a shocker!

//not a bed sheet in sight!//

May I ask what bed sheets have to do with Captain Planet and the Planeteers? It's just that I haven't watched the show for a while, only the intro, so maybe there's some significance of bed sheets I'm not aware of.

Anyway, you didn't answer my simple question. Here's a different one instead: what would Hoggish Greedly do?

And a follow up question: who do you and the NSW Greens - who you appear to have appointed yourself spokesperson for, to their detriment - consider to be a better role-model for behaviour: Captain Planet and the Planeteers, or the Eco-Villains?

Toni, ever since I stopped my subscription to 'Marvel Comics' back in 1968 I am not familiar with the 'Super Hero's' that entertain you.
If I didn't answer your simple question, why would I answer your different question.

No I am not spokesperson for anyone, self appointed or otherwise, not even you, although you could use one, is the job vacant? Is Mise is the the master of the bed sheet puts a clean one on every Sunday, before getting on Skipe and chatting to the Grand Wizard of Alabama to discuss the latest stats on Blacks!

Have a good day, and be happy.

Don't believe a word of it Paul.

Any one as deep into fantasy & bulldust as you, would never have stopped their subscription to marvel comics.

Hassy, as one who denies everything, and does not believe a word of truth, including the well established truths about climate change you would know what not to believe. Glad you could pop out of the 'Centrelink' office long enough to post another one of your incisive comments.

Good one, Hasbeen, and definitely an incisive comment.

//Toni, ever since I stopped my subscription to 'Marvel Comics' back in 1968 I am not familiar with the 'Super Hero's' that entertain you.//

That would be the Phantom, Paul. Ghost Walks, Guardian of the Eastern Dark, the Man that Can Never Die. Surely you've come across him at some point? He's in a lot of newspapers. Although to put on my comic book nerd hat for a moment, he's technically not 'Super', like Batman. He's just awesome.

The Planeteers are real.

I'm a Planeteer
You can be one too
'Coz saving our planet
Is the thing to do!

Looting and polluting
Is not the way
Hear what Captain Planet
Has to say:

"The Power Is Yours"

Although apparently, you'd prefer not to exercise it.

//If I didn't answer your simple question, why would I answer your different question.//

To save face and not make a compleat twat of yourself? Hmm, probably a bit lat for that last bit. What a f&^king embarrassment to the Greens you are. Maybe you should found your own Peaceniks & Pussies Party, and stop pretending you give a damn about the environment.

//as one who denies everything, and does not believe a word of truth, including the well established truths about climate change//

Like the well established truth that unnecessary air travel is a significant contributor to climate change, and that the problem is getting worse because of dicks like St. Dave of Airbus & his Acolyte Paul who like to pretend it's not a problem? That kind of well established truth, Paul? Or would you rather sweep that one under the rug and focus on more convenient well established truths?

OK girls that's enough! up your medications and calm down. Subject is now closed it has descended into vulgar abuse.

If JB reckons it's descended into vulgar abuse, you know it's gotten pretty bad.

Toni, do not fear my child, the nice men in the white coats will be along soon to take you away, and hopefully they will have a lovely surprise for you. Take you to the fantasy land of make believe where the nice children like yourself can play all day without a care in the world.

What is that you say my pet... "Mummy, where is your mummy, you want want your mummy!"
Don't worry my little petal, mummy is coming soon,