My only interest in the US Presidential election is to see Trump get thumped, and thus avoid the distinct prospect of having him start World War III. Has Donald finally done it, and shot himself in the foot so badly that he now has absolutely no chance of becoming President.
What I am talking about is the latest disgusting Trump tape which exposes him making lewd remarks about women, and his so-called exploits and conquests. With a number of the Forums regular contributors seeing the Donald as their kind of guy, I now invite them to comment on the Donald’s latest disaster!

Hi Paul,

It's to divert attention from Hillary's own shortcomings and to give the Pro-Hillary presstitute media talking points with which to feed and manipulate public opinion.
Bill Clinton has a long track record of ACTUALLY committing sexual related offenses against women which HILLARY defended in court.
She's destroyed his victims in their witness statements on the stand.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/08/politics/trump-on-howard-stern/index.html

Compared to that it is 'locker-room banter', though it does show him in an unfavorable light as a presidential candidate.
Women themselves can be just as crude, when drunk and out at male strip clubs or hens nights.

I still stand by his domestic positions, but more importantly for me I care about his foreign policy stance and he needs to be clear about what his position is.

Trump could set fire to kittens during the debate for all I care and it still would not make me support Hillary and the world she and her ilk wish to create.

You talk about avoiding WW3, and I feel the same way.
In my opinion with Hillary as President you're guaranteed confrontation with Iran and Russia.
Trump on the other hand has indicated he wants to work with Russia, though he needs to be much clearer on what he plans to do.

http://youtu.be/DNtwAZ6KomE?t=6m53s

I was sceptical at first, but yes, I now think it’s well and truly over for Trump. Even if he was elected, though, he would have been impeached before his first term was over. The person or people who released that tape need to be awarded a Nobel prize.

If any Trump supporters are surprised by this, then it goes to show just how delusional they are. It should have been obvious that this is the type of person Trump is. Trump supporters would have to be either pitiful judges of character, or bad people themselves.

Here’s a list of 176 shocking things Trump has said and done. At rapid-fire rate, it takes Olbermann 16 minutes to get through them all:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQueaSlvjCw

“Those of you who are mystified that I could forgive Clinton her obvious lying and indiscretions just don’t understand what a dangerous imbecile I think Trump is. I really think he is a child in a man’s body. He is a malignantly selfish, ignorant, and petty person. And a tyrant in the making, in so far as our system could accommodate a tyrant. If you’re supporting the guy because he’ll ‘shake things up’, I think you’re playing a game of chicken with human history, and there’s no one in the other car.” - Sam Harris

Dear Paul,

Why do you want to prevent World War III?

There are already far too many humans on this planet and it's closing on us in more ways than one. As humans are unable to control their procreative urges, nature will have to correct the situation one way or the other regardless.

Relieving the world of the toxic influence of both the USA and China all at once, could give those of us who survive here, in Australia, a second chance for a better and purer life.

I don't have any sense on how the US presidential race will turn out.

I think both Trump and Clinton and utter scoundrels and in some wayts Clinton scares me more. She is in my view more likely to be in the pockets of the arms industry and feed it's need for conflict.

Trump is clearly an utter creep and from what I've read on his business practices quite the low life in that area as well.

What's really bothering me in this campaign is the number of progressive friends who post continuously on social media about Trumps failings but never express any concern over the failings of the only other likely contender. In my view that approach is part of the problem that is giving Trump a chance.

None of the above please.

R0bert

Hi Robert,
The US Electoral College model does appear to be broken, doesn't it?

All,
At present, Robert Hughes and Rolf Harris are both sitting in jail after being convicted of what Trump freely claims to have done. There is no possibility that he can be elected, he should be facing a judge. Unless the Republican Party disendorses him, he will drag the party down with him into electoral oblivion for years.

This is not a serial seducer in the Bill Clinton/JFK mould, it's a dirty grub of the same stripe as the Jimmy Savilles and Gary Glitters of this world.

What has the US allowed itself to become if a man like this can be selected as a candidate for any kind of office?

Donald Trump accused of inappropriate behaviour.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-recorded-having-extremely-lewd-conversation-about-women-in-2005/2016/10/07/3b9ce776-8cb4-11e6-bf8a-3d26847eeed4_story.html

Male superiority... males trying to out do each other. Dominate males competing against each other to fertilise the sexiest looking women. Neanderthal emotional primitive brain needs to be seen by other males as out doing other males. Natural selection, (group thought) tribal cultural beliefs where families in tribes having many children, indicates how rich families are, men imagining feeling being seen as fertile. The primitive natural selection ensures such primal cultures dominate advancing technology cultures. Technology cultures using machinery to grow food rather than increasing human child labour.

Donald Trump reflects the intellectual quality of politicians supporting Donald Trump at any time after Trump's earliest announcements as a candidate for election in politics.
Media are to blame for using Donald Trump as dummying down information content to a Neanderthal level of intelligence, allowing Trump to be well known, by his short dramatised pronounced statements.
Donald Trump reflects the business community's intelligence, being that I assume Trump successfully deals with banking communities.

Occasionally morning variety media programs will introduce guest psychologists whom suggest successful business executives are narcissistic. Narcissism emotional incentives rewards narcissism competitive cut-throat business deals. Narcissism's need to feel as though they're superior than every other person standing near them. Financial advisers bad reputation for being accused of self-interest commissions, advising poor investments to clients. I assume many narcissists would pursue ideas of using a career in financial advising to further their emotional self-esteem rewards.

People making their way into politics, may come under the easily perceived need to be a leader, to be a winner, to talk about themselves while campaigning for elections. Donald Trump's entire political incentive is to win.

Myself hearing that Donald Trump inherited $200 million from his father, his father may have encouraged narcissism as a winning trait. Trump's father's colleagues could associate Neanderthal poor personality skills sexism with each other, during drinking alcohol social occasions. Placing a bunch of business busy executive males in a room brings out the narcissistic Neanderthal male competitive spirit. Childhood Donald Trump may have concluded several dominate business executives as role models.

Donald Trump's media hiring executives programs, hiring what he thought were winners. His subordinate executives were merely reflecting Donald Trump's own go getting words and obedient to Trump behaviours back at Donald Trump, who Trump having seen what he liked in people, hired them as employees.

Politicians sucking up to Donald Trump for enthusiastic and financial support, seems an obvious conclusion.
Donald Trump's political campaigning advisors could be accused of reflecting Donald Trump's own traits as a positive campaigning strategy, believing stubborn to listen to alternative ideas Trump would easily follow advisor's strategy.

I can't believe how society corporate leaders have degraded into such a low level of intelligence. I believe real leaders are intending to do something bad to US Americans, that by repressing society's belief in elected politicians capable leadership, bad things happening will be blamed on 4 year term democracy politicians.
Politicians are taking the blame for poor government carried out policies, the more politicians are seen to be dumb, the more the public believe media criticism.
Tony Abbott's comic look character not only entertained news print readers with comic cartoon character images. He no doubt laughed all the way to the bank.

Whether forums criticise politicians for how policies are poorly cared out, criticise the intellectual quality of elected politicians. Criticism supports my accusations that all the bad things happening to people, are allowed to continue, because popular opinion continues to reflect criticism as truth. The more people hear and/or read how politicians are incompetently dumb, the more citizens fail to realise any alternative motives leading to better thought out beliefs.

I would also suggest the media are attempting to convince world media watchers, US voters are very stupid, seen constantly cheering between short one liner sentences. Having stupid US voters voting in limited intelligence 4 year term dictator leaders, aids blaming one person's state of limited intelligence and administrative staff's a single leader president chooses as president's political governing advisors.

George W. Bush during his first term was an excellent speaker. During Bush's second term, Bush's speaking skills were presented on the David Letterman show as terrible. Intelligent political commentators were expressing a need to get rid of George W. Bush. 2007-2008 GFC partly blamed on Bush's presidency.
The Second term of Ronald Reagan ending in 1989, had Reagan said to be suffering from Alzheimer's disease.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/31/health/parsing-ronald-reagans-words-for-early-signs-of-alzheimers.html?_r=0

Alzheimer's could be used to blame poor leadership after a period following the 1987 Wall Street share market crash.
I believe, similar to Paul Keating's recession Australia had to have. US also raised interest rates to high levels as Australia had, at the same time after 2 years of record low interest rates. President George Bush had served a single term, rather than 2 terms in office, media blaming the Iraqi war. A war America should not have entered into, rather than a period of recession.

Having past presidents suffering from various old age diseases, exampling why many popes are chosen from cardinals by a cardinal's retirement old age during times when popes would have been blamed for religious doctrine policy. Popes suffering from declining mental illnesses, pope is god's representative on earth until death. Old age repressive and/or bad leadership excuses have been around for many years.

Hillary Clinton was born in October 1947. Next year Hillary will turn aged 70 years.
Donald Trump was born in June 1946. Trump is aged 70 years.
Ronald Reagan was born in February 1911, becoming president in 1981 aged almost 70 years.

To get away with all this manipulating trickery, school education is a prime cause of citizenry Neanderthal behaviours and simple emotional self-induced fixated beliefs.

Children without mental stress schooling, reduced influencing mental stress, reduced mental stress influences in time would have largely reduced a need to self-medicate using endorphins stimulated delusional beliefs and fear of getting beliefs incorrect, feeling increased embarrassing fears.

The stupidity of American citizens are created by US America's (schooling made worse) government's bureaucratic insistence on Standardised Testing, teachers teaching to curriculum test requirements. The need for spelling and maths to be taught to children, beginning at too earlier an age, during too many hours each day, causes human child brains to feel increasing mental stress, child brains inducing pain medicating endorphins (morphine) to medicate mental stress, causing eventual ADHD symptoms and/or doped up brain slowing behaviours... students unable to think and/or unable to easily remember learning disorders.
Narcissism and sexism in quickening to default Neanderthal brains, quick to feel chemical morphine reward reinforcements, aids repeating positive medication mental stress behaviours, in both athletic looking males and females who choose to look sexy.

Robert De Nero's Donald Trump, “he's so blatantly... stupid; he's a punk; he's a dog;” etc... black and white scene cuts were edited into De Nero's short speech presentation.
The scene would have been more entertaining if Hillary Clinton was cut into the De Nero's statements. Hillary seen holding a hand gun pointing at a script, similar to Johnny Depp's forced by a terrorist hostage statements.

Dear Paul,

I resent your offensive slur against deceased members of the biological family Anatidae. As the secretary, president and founding member of the Australian Association of Waterfowl Fanciers, we would ask that you cease and desist from your unseemly comparisons of Donald Trump and our noble web-footed friends.

Even the bloated, maggot-ridden, festering corpse of a dead duck possesses more inherent dignity than Donald 'Pardon My French' Trump. We ask that that you withdraw your underhanded slur, and apologise to the waterfowl by shaking limbs with a broody swan.

Having spent some more time looking at the comments I am finding it hard to imagine Trump keeping enough of the Republican core vote to survive this. He appear to have crossed a line that will be hard for a lot of conservatives to overlook no matter how much Clinton bothers them. Hit some very different triggers than emails with quotes of Clinton's public and private policy positions etc.

I've also seen claims that there has been at least one women come forward in the past with allegations of Trump grabbing her in the genitals so it seems likely that it's not just bragging reminiscent of the big hands subject.

I hope that the allegations are within the statute of limitations and are investigated, that if it's happened to more than one woman that they come forward.

As for the Republicans it seems that they may be headed for an electoral disaster this time around. Dumping Trump and wearing the backlash from the small core of diehard supporters will be tough at the poles in the short term but possibly their only hope of salvaging anything from the mess for the next couple of election round. At least give their core supporters someone that they can vote for without deep shame or feeling that they need to vote for Clinton as the only viable alternative.

I may be wrong about the reaction, it continues to astound me what some will overlook from those they want to support.

R0bert

Toni, I apologize unreservedly to Mr D Buck and any other duck including that little black duck Daffy, along with the nephews Huey Dewey and Louie, also Donald's girlfriend Daisy, and uncle Scrooge Mcduck, who I may have without thought accidentally insulted.
Given that cartoon characters have personalities, I think the Donald is more a dumb narcissistic version of Goofy than anyone else.

RObert, the conservatives from the mid-west bible belt would be absolutely flabbergasted by what Trump said.

Dear Paul,

I resent your offensive slur against popular animated characters. As the secretary, president and founding member of AAPA (Australians Against Poor Analogies), we would ask that you cease and desist from comparisons of Donald 'That's An Unusual Shade For Human Skin' Trump with the cartoon character 'Goofy'.

Despite the similarity in hue betwixt Mr. Trump's fake tan and Goofy's shirt, we feel that your analogy draws a longer bow than an English archer at the Battle of Hastings.

Furthermore, we ask that you desist from any further comparisons, real or imagined, with characters living, dead, or non-existent in the first place. Except for Hitler, who is of course exempt from AAPA guidelines to save on paperwork.

Trump is in a class of his own. Until the AAPA have the proper forms sorted out, it would be a lot easier if you'd just stick to non-personal analogies like 'shite-stain on the bedsheet of humanity'

Good one, Toni :)

AJ's quote deserves to be repeated:

“Those of you who are mystified that I could forgive Clinton her obvious lying and indiscretions just don’t understand what a dangerous imbecile I think Trump is. I really think he is a child in a man’s body. He is a malignantly selfish, ignorant, and petty person. And a tyrant in the making, in so far as our system could accommodate a tyrant. If you’re supporting the guy because he’ll ‘shake things up’, I think you’re playing a game of chicken with human history, and there’s no one in the other car.” - Sam Harris

It would be interesting, in a perverse way, to know when was the LAST time that Trumpf groped a woman: last week, last month or 11 years ago ?

I'd like to ask each of his supporters one question: how long would you leave Trumpf alone in a room with your daughter, or sister, or wife, or grandmother ?

And to remind each one of them: this is the half-wit who inherited the equivalent of a couple of billion dollars and who, through his own incompetence, can afford to lose a million dollars a week for nearly twenty years, and stay wealthy.

What ghastly choices. Roll on, 2020.

Joe

Hi Toni, I understand there was a late night spill down at the Australian Association of Waterfowl Fanciers and your presidency was unceremoniously terminated by the supporters of new president Betty Botter from Bolting. A travesty! and to think you had just recently, and most generously, given up your valuable time to attend a 3 month "fact finding" mission to the Bahamas. Monte Carlo and the French Riviera on behalf of the association on the plight of the endangered yellow breasted sap sucking duck, which is only found in a remote corner of Patagonia. I found your half page report, most enlightening.

Hypothetically, you wouldn't vote for either of these aberrations to be president of the Goondiwindi RSL Club, let alone president of the USA.

//and to think you had just recently, and most generously, given up your valuable time to attend a 3 month "fact finding" mission to the Bahamas. Monte Carlo and the French Riviera on behalf of the association on the plight of the endangered yellow breasted sap sucking duck, which is only found in a remote corner of Patagonia. I found your half page report, most enlightening.//

What, actual twitching? We employ Bill Oddie to do that on a contract basis

Joe...if Drumpf becomes President I think he will become the 1st US president to be assassinated this century. Waaay too much at stake here.

As I'm infrequently on line these days, what are the rumours on WikiLeaks releasing detailed information on the content of HRC's leaked/fudged emails... ?

Wikileaks has been releasing documents over the last couple days and word is they intend to keep doing so until November 1.
I heard some of the details regarding some of the emails this morning; evidence of pay for play (special treatment for those who made donations to the Clinton Foundation), evidence of supporting terrorists in M/E and indications that email recipients were aware of Justice Scalia's death several days before it happened this year - ie murder; so now a Supreme Court Judge joins the Clinton Body Count.

Also I heard talk that someone has copies of the missing 33,000 emails she deleted, though I didn't catch who it was.

Hillary has planned all of this since college days - her fondness for Saul Alinsky, KKK member Robert Byrd and George Soros should be an indicator that all is not what it seems.

Latest Wikileaks Revelations on Hannity
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9msnfCR4OE

Jill Stein: Crooked Hillary More Dangerous than Trump
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwXbPIgFWgs

‘Wet Works’: Podesta Email Makes Assassination Reference Days Before Scalia Death
http://www.infowars.com/wet-works-podesta-email-makes-assassination-reference-days-before-scalia-death/

I thought I'd add a few more links and see what the anti-Trump brigade have to say about it.

First Hannity: New FBI Documents And Wikileaks, Clintons Exposed, Media Bias Statistics
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShPtSYbQ4vA

Next, a telling interview regarding Hillary with Bill Clinton's former girlfriend
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ5FytrS3qo

A link I posted some time ago: A timeline of the Clinton's including cocaine trafficking
http://prorev.com/connex.htm

30yr old allegations of rape committed by Hillary and some revelations about cocaine use and smuggling as outlined in the previous link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SSa9tTa0-k

*Note Cathy O'Brien's mention of New World Order.

Finally a more recent interview (yesterday) with Cathy from the previous link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XqWpu8mPU0

Nobody has commented on Trump / Clinton for a few days.
I guess I pushed the issue a little too hard.
But you guys acted all smart when you wanted to say how bad Trump was.

So what do you all have to say about this stuff?
Do you really all think I just make things up?
Don't forget her health, the lies, endemic corruption at all levels of government and a complicit media.

I've explained that I have a nationalist position rather than a globalist one and that I hope we can avoid a war with Russia.

Can any of the people who oppose Trump give any reasons at all - in light of all this information why Hillary would be better for America and the world?
- Because I just can't see it.

And if someone else can, I'd really love them to explain it.

Hi AC,

To answer your question seriously, it may well be that Bill could be getting a blow job at a Manhattan intersection at 5 pm on a Friday (purely hypothetically, of course: surely not ?), with Hilary permanently comatose next to him, and she would still make a less dangerous president than Drumpf. Drumpf reminds me of too many school bullies for me to want to recall.

And he could still get elected. Ghastly choices. Roll on, 2020: Michelle Obama for President.

Cheers,

Joe

Hey Loudmouth,
I actually heard a few days back Roger Stone say Hillary may yet be replaced with Michelle Obama.
It seems doubtful to me but maybe they're looking at the long game.
Hillary may win, but I'm honestly not sure Trump supporters will let it lie.
I could argue the electoral fraud factor, or the fact that she really shouldn't even be running because of firstly stealing the nomination from Bernie Sanders and secondly because of email scandal issues which should have made her inelegible to run; only Comey and Lynch didn't prosecute her.
She may win, but all of these Wikileaks releases and scandals might keep bubbling to the surface and take their toll before she's even inaugruated.

I thought about what you said about seeing him as a bully.
He does come across as an rich 80's type arrogant egotistical blustering fool at times, I won't deny it.
The media do paint him as being hard on minority groups, though I'm sure they push the issue as campaign strategy.

I think Hillary might be just as much of a bully behind the scenes too though; if the reports I've heard are correct.

I also think the media really have done an exception job minimising attacks on Clinton while maximising the attacks on Trump, I'm don't believe she would win in a fair election or without the media bias.
She wouldn't have won the nomination, that's for certain.

I've made my case for Trump, so I'm not going to be hard on anyone because they feel differently; though its hard for me to understand why in light of all the damning issues that surround her.

I do tell you all many of the things going on behind the scenes though, and in many cases I told you before it's reported on.
I've been fairly accurate with my shared Trump info in that sense.

Thanks AC,

I suppose if someone wrote a 'Democracy for Half-Wits', it would define it as a system where your candidate gets in regardless: your choice, therefore ...... But any basic textbook would amplify that somewhat, to suggest that democracy means that the candidate(s) who get the most votes/seats etc. wins, and that the candidate who doesn't get the most votes/seats etc. doesn't. So if someone votes for the candidate who gets fewer votes, well, their candidate doesn't get elected. And you suck it up until next time.

That seems to have been a hard lesson to learn over hundreds of years of trial and error.

Your boy Trumpf (and I use the word 'boy' intentionally) doesn't seem to understand that. As well, he doesn't seem to understand the difference between media having the right to their own views, and the power to push them, AND electoral fraud - memo to Donald: the media don't run the elections.

So of course, as a spoilt brat, he will take his bat and ball and kick over the stumps. Except of course, there not HIS bat and balls but the American people's. THEY choose, and they may not choose HIM. So where's your mother, with her hanky, when you need her ?

My wife was a reading specialist, so I listen to Drumpf wondering what his Reading Age might be: I waver between eight and fourteen. That's probably the age range at which most children begin to understand the (for Drumpf) complexities of what democracy means.

So the choice seems to be: more of the same until 2020, OR the unravelling of the US, as Drumpf entices the crazies out in the hills of Wyoming to defy the election result, as Drumpf sucks up to Putin, as he does something utterly lunatic in the Middle East, and as he trashes world trade agreements.

Like watching a series of very slow-motion truck crashes.

Joe

Hey Loudmouth,
It's not about being a sore losers at all, it's about winning fairly.
The voter fraud issues are genuine, don't fall for the media spin.
I posted a thread here myself on the topic of electoral fraud long before the debates began.

Have you seen the latest James O'Keefe videos exposing what the DNC have been doing?
They are damning.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuJGHuIkzY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDc8PVCvfKs

The Pew research says 1 in 8 voter registrations are incorrect and stated 18million voters.
Plus 4million registered illegals and 2million dead voters on the books.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/politics/story/2012-02-10/pew-study-inaccurate-voter-registration-rolls/53083406/1

Hillary herself has questioned electoral outcomes before herself.
http://www.hannity.com/articles/hanpr-election-493995/flashback-hillary-didnt-accept-the-results-15221824/

As for the media, the statistics have come out showing that of media campaign contributions, Hillary received 94% and Donald 6% - That's how much the media are on her side.

Compilation of CNN & MSNBC Cutting Guests Mics to Protect Hillary Clinton
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdYRN8Clddw

Everything she accuses others of she does herself.
She's very skilled at redirecting the issues she's guilty of at her opponents.
Doing so also nullifies the attack when others accuse her of it.
I'll give her credit for that - whatever you call it she's a master.

Here's that video about Michelle Obama.
Insider: Hillary Clinton To Step Down Next Week, Michelle Obama To Take her Place
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btuJDWWao_4

I think it will be his supporters that push the issue as much if not more than he will, if he loses.
And win or lose, America won't be the same after this election.

Also from what I understand the free trade agreements are just protectionism for global corporations.

Hi AC,

With the deepest respect possible, you're still confusing two separate issues:

* the media is entitled to favour one candidate over another. Drumpf has banned some of them, the New York Times and the Washington Post and maybe others, from interaction with his propaganda team. That's his right, but it's theirs to favour whoever they like. They don't favour Drumpf. Suck it up.

* the electoral process is an equal opportunity abuser: Drumpf's supporters are equally able to rort the system, especially now that Drumpf will instruct them how. What, you think they won't ?

The crucial issue is that Drumpf will incite his waning supporters, out there in Hicksville and the wild, wild hills of Wyoming, to ignore the election result, if he loses. Of course, not if he wins :) But he has raised the issue, of flouting the will of the people, of inciting his supporters to contemplate action if he loses. This is so much against US tradition, and that of any democratic system, that one is a bit gobsmacked: will he lead guerrillas out there in the Badlands against the elected government of their country ? He's opened up that question now.

By the way, it's ironic that he attacks migrants, and the children of migrants, since he is the child - the spoilt child - of one of them.

The US has thousands of universities, perhaps hundreds with proud reputations; between them, one would think, they employ many thousands of outstanding academics. Wouldn't it have been wonderful if some of those had worked their way into the election race, people who may well have had some measure of principles ? Okay, you're right, fat chance.

Cheers,

Joe

Hey everyone,
I'm not going to try to persuade anyone to support Trump or berate anyone for not doing so.
Doing so is a little bit stupid and pointless since none of us will vote in their election.
As Aussie's we're just onlookers; and no matter what happens we'll all be in it together.
I'm still going to share the things I hear from a Trump supporter point of view but I'm going to do so with more focus on how this is all going to play out rather than try to persuade people who I think they should support.

I'm not sure if many of you took the time to look at the things I've mentioned or linked to, and whether you truly understand all of the issues at play with this US election.

But because I have a good understanding of the issues from the Trump supporter point of view I probably have a better insight into how all of this might play out.

- So I'm going to try to contribute to the discussion more in that way.

Hey Loudmouth,

"With the deepest respect possible": - same to you.

I accept your first point, but the country is now openly engaged in facism; and whilst government being hand in hand with big business in the US is nothing new, it's is doing so openly in concert with proven electoral fraud to effect the outcome of a presidential election.

The whole thing spells tinpot dictatorship on an unprecedented level for all Americans to see.

I also accept your second point, that Republicans could be engaging in the same activities.
Firstly though, electoral fraud usually favours the incumbent; secondly I'm not sure it's realistic to think that Donald Trump has the kind of network of political/governmental/corporate connections in his pocket that the Clintons have been able amass so I doubt even if some is occurring on the GOP side it would be at the level to which is occurring within the Democratic Party .
Hillary effectively has all the corporations, globalists and every level of government behind her where Donald Trump is not establishment and his candidacy and nomination divided the GOP.

"The crucial issue is that Drumpf will incite his waning supporters...".

I think you've got it back to front, and your point here (respectfully) is merely the equivalent of Clinton campaign rhetoric. Media spin.
Donald Trump did not gain his support with a 'Pied Piper' act.
The dissatisfaction and concerns amongst voters that support him existed long before he put his hand up for the job.
In this way Donald Trump himself is only going to have limited control over what the people who support him do, depending on how this plays out.

[cont]

What we really have is a situation there are provisions for but no precedent for.
We're actually looking at a potential civil war event in the making.

The Constitution and Bill of Rights is not so much about rights given to the people but a contract between government and the people that recognises those rights and therefore stipulates the limits of government.
The Second Amendment is the right to bear arms; but its actually a safeguard - the right to maintain a militia in the event of needing to overthrow a tyrannical government.
This right is a direct result of the Battle of Independence.

Another point is that the US is now is a defacto war with Russia.

So what we have is a Presidential candidate who has (potentially) came to power by having big business in her pocket and openly engaging in electoral fraud, who's going to choose her supreme court judges; tear up the constitution, take the free speech, take the guns, open the borders and go to war with Russia; as well as drafting the people into fighting that war.

If ever there was a case for the citizens to use that provision to 'legitimately' overthrow a tyrannical government who seeks to tear up the constitution and openly transform their democratic republic into a corporate fascist dictatorship now would be the time.
There will not be another chance after she's taken the guns.

You make the point that if Donald loses he will be a sore loser; but it must also be said that if Donald wins Hillary will surely blame Russia.

Here's a link to the radio show I watch.
http://www.republicbroadcastingarchives.org/category/michael-rivero/
There's so much important info in the first 4 to 5 minutes today (October 20, Hour 1) that I couldn't possibly relate it all.
I think fellow forum members here could gain a great deal of insight by checking out the first few minutes of his latest broadcast.

Hey Loudmouth,
So make no mistake, theres a lot riding on this election, the least of which is Donalds alledged sexual misconduct 11years ago.
He's not being scrutinsed for a romantic relationship after all, he's already married.

Now if Hillary wins, and if the people refuse to accept the results or a Hillary Clinton presidency based on the idea they have no responsibility to obey a fraudelent and illegitimate goverment, the establishment (in concert with a complicit media) will label these people domestic terrorists.

This will create a further context to take the guns and limit speech.

They recently put measures in place (Strong Cities Initiantive) that will allow UN troops on the streets.
It's hard to say how willing the US military would be to go to war against Americans.

Without looking too much into it;
I predict either war with Russia, Civil War in America; or GFC and Economic collapse (Deutche Bank).
If Donald wins, Democrats will blame Russia; maybe start a war or financial crisis before Donald gets into the Whitehouse.
If Hillary wins, Donald will (rightly) claim electoral fraud and the people may well rise up against the establishment.

There's no peaceful option in any of this, from what I can see.
I bet the powers that be are already war gaming out how they plan to manage these potential scenarios.

A little dated now and about the other Clinton but I think worthwhile for those who only focus on the evils of Trump (and there are many evils to focus on)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVL1Ifyjys0

If you don't value Hitchin's views or think it does not apply to Hillary perhaps this guy might be more to your taste

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6f4tZFZ_-g

R0bert

From some of the posts friends have been putting on social media it certainly looks like they think Donald is a dead duck (and I suspect they are right in that).

I do wonder if their celebrations may be those of people living in a coastal location celebrating because the earthquake missed their village and happened far enough out in the depths of the ocean that it did not shake them much.

R0bert

Hi R0bert
I heard today he's on the comeback, however its unlikely he'll get the college votes he needs.
The Project Veritas releases showing electoral fraud by the Democratic Party are having an effect, as are Trump's rallys.
I expect the people on social media are mainly just echoing the corporate media.

ABC Poll: 93% Say Hillary Clinton Should Be Criminally Prosecuted
http://thomasdishaw.com/2016/07/abc-poll-93-say-hillary-clinton-criminally-prosecuted/

I did the poll, and it has now increased to 94% with nearly 35,000 votes.
Can anyone explain how with polls like this anyone can realistically believe that Americans consider Hillary Clinton the person they want as President?

Hi AC,
I don't think much of the Clintons, but I think Trump represents all that is fundamentally bad in the American Right. There is a lot of good on the Right, but Trump manages to avoid nearly all of it.

His record speaks for itself.

The FBI has investigated Clinton and has already determined not to proceed with action through the courts. With some luck she's learnt her lesson and will be much better for the experience. Actually, I think that's a crucial difference between the two: she can learn, whereas Trump has based everything he is on never changing despite the most glaringly obvious evidence that he is wrong. He just increases the abuse level.

Anyway, there's nothing any of us can do about it, so it's an interesting spectacle at best.

Hi Craig,

I feel weird saying anything vaguely supportive of Drumpf but his opposition to A.T.&T.'s takeover of Time-Warner - if he is genuine - may be the first sensible policy proposal in his campaign.

Apart from that ......

Cheers,

Joe

Hey Craig Minns,

Are you talking about the deplorables like me?

Honestly I think Trump has come a long way in the last month, particularly through the debates, but I'm not going to try to convince anyone against his faults.
We all know the bloke isn't perfect.
I know both candidates are disliked and its the same old story, choosing the lesser evil.

The FBI are completely bought and paid for at the leadership level; (and attorney general Loretta Lynch won't prosecute).
Her crimes have been documented; she was never exonerated.
Long term FBI agents are livid that Hillary wasn't charged.
- And it's not over for her yet, there's so much more the media is deliberately not focusing on to try and get her across the line.

Craig have you seen the three videos over at Project Veritas?
http://www.projectveritasaction.com/

Hillary operatives were attempting to effect the outcome of the election by starting violent confrontations at Trump Rally's which in one case lead to a police officer having his jaw broken in Chicago.

There should be new FBI investigations but the Department of Justice is staying silent at this time, I guess they are trying to fly the whole event under the media radar.

You know AC, I wasn't talking about the people he claims to represent, but the type of thinking that allows decent people to come to the view that he is worth supporting.

I don't think those people are "deplorable", but I do think that they (and you, if you identify with them) have been lead up the garden path, not be Trump, who's just a buffoon, but by their own insecurities, poor education, resentment and years and years of a diet of misinformation and manipulation from media, business and Government. They've got to the point that they can't tell their arse from their elbow.

Hi Joe,
I haven't been following closely enough to make a comment on that. What are the implications?

Hi Craig,

I wouldn't know the full story, but A.T.&T., in a former, fuller life, used to control almost all of US telecommunications, but was broken up (I think in the sixties ? Someone must know better) into regional bodies.

Now it's come back and seeks control of the largest film/TV/media/software (I think) body, Time Warner. It sounds a bit like an effective NBN buying The Australian (or the reverse) and forming one tele-company: just a bit too big.

Actually it sounds out of character for Drumpf, one would think that he would support the deal, in a slimy, backhanded, under-handed, pro-capitalist way. Maybe he'll back-flip.

Cheers,

Joe

Craig "but the type of thinking that allows decent people to come to the view that he is worth supporting." I know that Trump does have a core of supporters who genuinely seem to trust him. I suspect that's a relatively small number of people. The larger number being those who know what a low life he is, will generally admit it it but consider him a lot less dangerous than Clinton.

A bunch of reasons for that but possibly at it's simplest the difference in how effectively the two play the game and the contacts they have in place to protect them. Clinton has shown a remarkable aptitude for getting away with stuff.

Did you watch Christopher Hitchins interview about some of the stuff Bill Clinton is alleged to have been involved in? Obama on the money Hillary was taking from lobbyists etc? Jill Stein on the threat she thinks Hillary poses of starting a nuclear war (based on her track record as Secretary of State)?

She appears to be deeply corrupt (as does Trump) but also with a passion for US intervention in foreign countries (which Trump does not appear to share) and an apparent knack for mishandling those interventions.

Trump is in my view a crook who won't make the US great (again or otherwise). He will probably do great harm internally but seems far less likely to want to bask in power from foreign intervention and in my view is far less likely to start a war we all loose.

R0bert

Hi Craig Minns,
Whilst I accept your point that there is a stereotypical right that probably does encompass some of the traits you mentioned, I honestly don't think it's the full story; not by a long shot.
I'm don't think you can realistically tar all Trump supporters with that brush, though I accepot your point.
I think it's just the establishment line thats been used to demonise this group of people for a long time, 'constitutionalists' because they represent the only real danger or pushback against globalism.

Now I'd be inclined to assert that it's actually you guys who been manipulated and given mistruths about who they are and what they represent, no offence.

Take Obama for example, just last week he's out there saying there's no such thing as electoral fraud, and I've shown you guys damning evidence that this in not the case, and there is overwhelming evidence that Hillary has pulled every dirty trick in the book to try and steal this election.

In many instances, I'd argue that I am definately more informed than the average person who just watches the evening news.

Oh and btw, regards the email scandal, Obama was also sending emails to that private server which makes him complicit, which may have been another reason why Hillary wasn't prosecuted.

This could be Trumps best speech.
It addresses many of the issues which you think define his supporters, and I hope you watch it so that maybe you can get a different point of view.
I really hope you are able to get beneath the hype and media talking points to get down to the crux of why people truly support his stance.

http://youtu.be/t3PgJkuczHU?t=59s

Told you all the polls were rigged and that Clinton can't rig the election without rigging the polls...

New Podesta Email Exposes Playbook For Rigging Polls Through “Oversamples”
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-23/new-podesta-email-exposes-dem-playbook-rigging-polls-through-oversamples

Armchair Critic have you seen any independent summary of the Robert Creamer story. As I understand it he and another operative have been caught in sting videos admitting to inciting violence and voter fraud. Creamer has stepped down, the other appears to have been fired. I've not seen the videos yet but get the impression that even with creative editing allowed for they are pretty damming. Creamer (reportedly a convicted felon) certainly seems to have had high level access to Obama and others on the White https://www.google.com.au/url?q=https://open.whitehouse.gov/dataset/Robert-Creamer/9vny-arr6&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwje2ePUkffPAhUCo5QKHTBXBwQQFggLMAA&usg=AFQjCNHu7rpERK1tGlXgm1LDMXcA9_ljDQ

From what I've read so far the evidence that this was not some minor bit players going astray but rather high level promotion of violence and vote rigging looks more plausible than the alternatives.

The CNN version of the story is a lot kinder than most but seems to confirm the main details, just treat the excuses a little to kindly http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/18/politics/project-veritas-action-robert-creamer-donald-trump-rallies/

R0bert

Hey R0bert,
What you've outlined pretty much covers everything I've heard about Robert Creamer.

There's 3 important released video from Project Veritas; plus a whole lot more videos on their channel.
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEE8w-v6Gg4j3ze3oX-urEw

I think there's even a few videos about using 'Donald Duck' to disrupt his rallies.

Rigging the Election - Video I: Clinton Campaign and DNC Incite Violence at Trump Rallies
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuJGHuIkzY
Rigging the Election - Video II: Mass Voter Fraud
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDc8PVCvfKs
Rigging the Election – Video III: Creamer Confirms Hillary Clinton Was PERSONALLY Involved
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEQvsK5w-jY

There was a new Jill Stein interview a few days back you might be interested in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFi6LJiW3W4

George Soros Owned Voting Machines
http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/concern-grows-over-soros-linked-voting-machines/

Bill Clinton changed the laws that allowed the consolidation of the media into 6 large corporations today.
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/34789-democracy-in-peril-twenty-years-of-media-consolidation-under-the-telecommunications-act

Its always good to remember who the Clintons are...
http://www.morningnewsusa.com/hillary-clinton-murdered-seth-rich-journalist-hints-patterns-23115885.html

Armchair Critic, given the documented criminal history of Robert Creamer the access he had to POTUS at the White House is pretty extraordinary. Be interesting to see what falls out of this, will the evidence reach a point where the authorities have to act. Reportedly details in the videos about meeting times etc line up with details in some of the Wikileaks email releases. Makes Trumps bus recording seem pretty mild in the big scheme of things.

R0bert

In regard to the Veritas Videos there is an interesting substantiation of a number of the claims made in the videos at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-R7A3Qz60tQ&feature=youtu.be

Enough to be very confident that the Veritas videos are not just hypothetical bragging or locker room talk. That won't prove every claim but it should give pause to anybody tempted to write them off on the basis of trusting the DNC or Hillary.

R0bert

Hey R0bert,
I think the videos are legitimate, the Clinton campaign hasn't tried to deny any of the accusations as far as I know.

I found this article from February, thought I'd share it.
Project Veritas exposed ALP members trying to manipulate the US election in breach of US laws.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/alp-operatives-on-taxpayerfunded-us-trip-caught-up-in-hidden-camera-campaign-sting-20160227-gn5chk.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3466954/F-Donald-Australian-Labor-volunteers-caught-boasting-using-Australian-taxpayer-funds-help-U-S-democratic-presidential-campaigns-hidden-camera-sting.html

The witch is burning!
The corporate media is turning on her.

Looks like they didn't manage to pluck that duck. Perhaps he might still have more feathers than Hillary to fly with.

Perhaps the FBI have found so much mud on the lady, they can't afford to cover it up any longer.

God did I really call her a lady. Shame on me.

Hi Hasbeen,

"Perhaps the FBI have found so much mud on the lady, they can't afford to cover it up any longer."
- My thoughts are that they wouldn't have done this unless it was something really incriminating.

There's a Soros video from earlier in the year where he said Trump will win the popular vote but agreed with the interviewer when she asked whether Hillary was a done deal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtT47YlQTdI

I also came across some info on electoral college vote tampering.
http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2016/10/26/clintonsoros-led-electoral-college-tampering-evidence-of-massive-voter-fraud-in-arizona/

But it seems to me the corporate media (who played down negative Hillary issues whilst playing up every negative Trump issue) have started being less bias.

I've seen CNN, MSNBC and a host of other corporate media organisations starting to write stories that place Hillary in a negative light.

No matter what happens the seedy underbelly of US politics and Clinton Inc. is being exposed for everyone to see and with Trump supporters constantly chanting things like "Lock Her Up!", "Drain The Swamp!" and "Build The Wall!" it seems inevitable that something has to change and the Establishment cannot continue like it has done in the past.

There's a WH petition to remove Soros voting machines which got all the required votes in a few days of being posted although I don't know if there's been any response.
http://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/we-people-ask-congress-meet-emergency-session-about-removing-george-soros-owned-voting-machines-16-states

It's hard to say how everything is going to turn out.

I think maybe its time to come down hard on the Clintons.
To oust this whole Clinton Inc. mafia enterprise.

I heard that Peter Comey (James Comey's brother) works for a company that does the tax audits for the Clinton Foundation.

All these payment by big business in 'pay for play'; even BHP is caught up in it now.
http://www.afr.com/news/bhp-billiton-caught-in-hillary-clinton-email-hacking-saga-20161027-gscm02

It's time to turn up the heat and publicly boycott any company or organisation involved in The Clinton Foundation, The Clinton Family Foundation, The Clinton Global Initiative and expose the governments who have paid into them.

Enough is enough.

There's enough evidence that Hillary is a liar and cannot be trusted, especially with classified information.
Her husband was impeached and ousted for lying as well.
The amount of electoral fraud issues are astounding.

I've copped the 'deplorable' tag long enough, and it's time to turn the tables.

I say anyone who supports Hillary Clinton and the criminal regime she and her husband lead are the ones who are really deplorable.
There's no excuses or trying to blame others anymore.

Hillary Voters Who Voted Early Are Changing Their Votes

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-01/hillary-finished-exploding-google-trend-proves-it-change-early-vote

AC if you have already voted, how do you change your vote? Do you apply the old democratic adage; Vote early vote often!

Hey Paul1405,
Apparently some states have a mechanism where you can re-cast your vote if you choose to, which cancels your previous vote.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/trump-early-voters-change-230623

Hey AC!

Does the same "mechanism" make sure the (extreme) right candidate wins like he should in any true capitalistic democracy? We can't leave anything to chance now can we.

It reminds me of what that other great leader of the democratic free world, Papa Doc of Haiti, had to say when he got 6 million votes from a population of 4 million. "The people love me too much... they vote not once, but twice, three times, four times, for me... you could not stop them...they love me too much!" or was that Baby Doc, no matter, it was one of those greatly loved democratic demons. maybe The Donald will be able to say the same thing next week.

Only in America! God loves America.

Hey Paul1405,

I messed that last sentence up didn't I?
I didn't need to write "have a mechanism where" at all.
I started writing "I'm not sure what the exact mechanism is to recast your vote..."; then I looked up an article to provide a reference for you and went back and changed what I'd previously written.
I messed it up.

But speaking of mechanisms you should check out 'Fraction Magic' and 'Hacking Democracy'.
Fraction Magic is "A real-time demo of the most devastating election theft mechanism yet found, with context and explanation. "

Here's a recent interview with Bev Harris
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1n-aghgxoM

Fraction Magic video here.
http://blackboxvoting.org/

'Hacking Democracy' (Watch it quick as it might not be up long)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoZurpJVJW0

http://stopthesteal.org/

This could be interesting...

'Biggest scandal in U.S. history about to break'
http://www.wnd.com/2016/11/biggest-scandal-in-u-s-history-about-to-break/

It looks like it is Hillary who is getting plucked now, & each feather removed reveals something very rotten underneath.

The question now is not will she become president, but will she becomes a prison inmate?

Couldn't happen to a nicer lady. Oops, there I go again, calling her a lady. Where's the mouth wash?

More info out...
Huma Abedin was forwarding emails from her state department email to her unsecured yahoo account.
http://www.wnd.com/2016/10/yahoo-holds-key-to-fbi-probe-of-hillary-huma-emails/
Judicial Watch has confirmed there were classified documents amongst them.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/nov/1/huma-abedin-often-handled-classified-data-on-compu/
She previously swore under oath she'd handed all computers over so she will be looking at a perjury charge.

Also her family connection to the Muslim Brotherhood.

The stink going on at the FBI is actually a soft coup between the intelligence community and the wider government.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zic64WhR14k

Some documents regarding the death of Vince Foster have surfaced detailing how there were witnesses.

It shouldn't take them too long to get through the new emails though.
When Hillary first submitted emails she submitted paper copies and investigators weren't able to search them using search terms by computer.
Now that they have the actual electronic copies then can search them a lot faster.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/01/tom-cotton-nukes-clinton-fnd-largest-money-laundering-operation-in-the-world-audio/

3 parts to the email scandal.
One is the classified documents and the Title 18 breaches.
Two is questions regarding espionage
Three is content regarding Epsteins Island.
Good Doug Hagmann Interview.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxTAXg1JI50

This Jeffrey Eppstein "Orgy Island" / "Lolita Express" thing is also coming up.
Trump and the Mar-A-lago where Virginia Roberts worked as a masseuse?
There was a somewhat related Guardian article yesterday interestingly enough...
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/02/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit-13-year-old-cancels-public-event

Donald Trump might or might not be a dead duck, but unless you start taking an interest in Recognise, white Australians could be dead ducks if the 3% Aboriginal populatiion gets itself into the Constitution. You all need to start prioritising.

Armchair Critic, you might find this article interesting.https://www.thenation.com/article/the-trump-allegations-as-jane-doe-breaks-her-silence-will-the-media/

I don't tend to give a lot of weight to allegations from an anomomous person from so long ago and at such a politically charged time. Far more substantiated claims against both Clinton's and Trump. Neither Hillary or Donaare is fit for office but it's almost certain one of them will soon hold what's generally regarded as the most powerful job in the world. Neither side has any moral high ground unlike the many memes I've seen reposted (mostly sourced from Occupy Democrats) pointing to Trump failings and suggesting deep character flaws in those who might support him over Clinton. Those in my view will amuse Clinton supporters but just leave to posters looking blinkered to most.

R0bert

I'm not quite sure just what it says about us, but not one of the prime western English speaking nations has had a candidate for PM/President at the last elections, that any thoughtful person could want to vote for.

Just look at what the UK, Canada, Oz, & soon the US have had to elect to the highest office in the land. The treatment Abbott received shows us what the elites will do to any regular bloke who stumbles into such a position today.

Is it that these people are much worse than what we had years ago, or is it that with modern communications we actually know more about them. From my perspective it does look as if some, Obama, Clinton, Gillard & some others, are deliberately trying to disadvantage the people of these countries.

It indicates to me that western civilisation is at the "Mobs of Rome" stage in it's history, & will not survive much longer. We should all bow down to what ever gods may exist, & give thanks to have lived at the very best time & place ever to be a peasant on this earth.

I doubt our grand kids will be so lucky.

Hey R0bert,
Yes the claims are unsubstantiated, and little attention should be paid to them, however:

It's not just the rape claim so much as than the bigger picture.
Virginia Roberts worked at the mar-A-lago too (owned by Trump since 1985); before she worked for Epstein, and the girl in this current case also says she worked there.
Epstein frequented this establishment, it's where he found Virginia Roberts.
Epstein's girls may have recruited other girls from there.
Questions arise whether Trump ever flew on the 'Lolita Express' to Epsteins 'Little St James Island' in the Virgin Islands (there are allegations).
Trump certainly knew Epstein had a preference for younger (not necessarily illegal) women, and he was likely a big spender at Trump's Miami establishment.

This could be one of Epsteins girls making false allegations or there could potentially be some truth to it.
Either way, it all stinks a little bit too much for me.
Whether there is anything to it, I don't know.
It may very well just be BS and most likely is.

The question of whether anyone has anything substantial on Trump and whether or not he could be blackmailed is a matter of concern.
But I think if they had anything on him they would have used it.

The thing is Bill Clinton frequented that island too, and the whole thing may be the one issue that neither side (or the other elite that also went there) want a light shone on.

This should be interesting....

http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/new-letter-from-fbi-director-james-comey-could-change-the-election/news-story/d6c698cb00655bf769abea842b9b29af

It appears that the question that started this thread has been answered in the negative. Trump is not a dead duck.

I can't celebrate what appears to be a Trump win but do feel massive relief that the Clintons are not likely to be back in the White House, that Hillary won't have opportunity to push an unnecessary fight with Putin.

I'm undecided if this will be a big enough wake up call to the establishment parties to put their houses in order, I doubt it. Electoral floggings in Australia never seem to lead to any real soul searching by our parties. I seriously doubt that Trump will be a good president but hopefully this has seen the end of the Clintons as a political force.

R0bert