The RAAF have been involved in strikes against Syrian President Bashar Al Assad troops in Syria.
Reports of between 62 to 83 Syrian Arab Army troops killed resulting in Islamic State militants now completely over-running the area.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-18/australian-jets-involved-in-botched-air-strike-on-syrian-army/7855610

ADF have murdered dozens of Assad's soldiers whilst engaging in operations in his country without his approval.
Should Australian troops be operating in Syria without coordination of the democratically elected leader of Syria?

No.
George I was freely elected by the 1701 Parliament and his grandson was terrorised by yanks in a Protestant sectarian revolution against the authorities. Minutemen were civilian colonists who independently organized to form well-prepared militia companies self-trained in weaponry, tactics and military strategies from the American colonial partisan militia during the American Revolutionary War. Burning witches , Redcoats and improvised gunpowder the so-called USA had support from the unelected Louis of Paris and Lebanon.

Hi Everyone.
I probably shouldn't have referred directly to the 'ADF' in my opening statement.
It probably would've been better to say 'US and Coalition forces including Australia'.

The Russians are strongly implying the attack was deliberate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bID01gIEIOY

The US response - well watch it for yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8sHzxILZMk

AC,

I don't think Australia should have anybody in Syria. Every time we get involved in some one else's war, we cop "refugees", AKA, opportunist economic, illegal immigrants. All of these failed states should be left to their own devices. There is nothing in their squabbles for us but pain.

Four years back Assad was watching the sky at night for Obama's bombs after Assad crossed the red line by using chemical weapons. Regime change was the game. Now it's apologies , sorry about that , carry on as usual. As the House of Representatives and Senate control Australia then Reps , Senate and PM in Oz also apologise. Obama made us do it , sorry guys. Malcolm will send some chemical-free Barossa valley wines to Damascus as they don't drink beer.

What a load of crap!
Australia (the PM and COS) would have known well before and certainly directly after
that we were dropping bombs or firing rockets at whatever targets in Syria.
Are we supposed to believe that these pilots simply go out and select the targets themselves.
If Australia made a mistake then Australia should own up and pay a few million dollars in
compensation to the Syrian soldiers families.
Then Australia should get the hell out of Syria.

Back when I were a lad...in the age of steam power and black-powder weapons, the RAAF had LGBT (Laser Guided Bomb Technology) - now we have LGBTI troops directing aircraft & drones to drop hardware full of HE on "friendlies".

Just imagine for a moment if you will, if Mr Bash ya Head had sent a few rounds over the border and chlorine gassed a tent full of US Marines on the Turkish side...oh the humanity ! He must be so valuable to the US administration that it defies belief as to why he hasn't quietly been bagged, tagged and dumped out at sea like Bin Laden.

Yes ChrisG, Australia should get the hell out of the Sand Pit...full stop and while the incumbent government is on it, tell the Yanks to keep their dud F35's and associated kit.

Ooops...we've stuffed up again.

Some more information on this topic.

US and Coalition forces attacked El Tharda mountain using white phosphorous (a war crime) though this is unconfirmed and Islamic State commenced a further attack upon the Syrian troops just 7 minutes after the bombing stopped, which is suspicious.

The offending nations were US, UK, Australia and Denmark.
The UK used Reaper drones, the US used A10's and there were also F16's and Superhornets.

An interesting note about the A10 Warthog is that they're ground support aircraft and use 'Joint Terminal Air Controllers' to call in airstrikes, which means that US / Coalition forces had eyes on the ground and would've known who they we're attacking.

Apparently they weren't regular SAA forces.
They were Syrian Republican Guard who have been holding off Islamic State in Deir Ezzor for 2 and a half years.

A question must now be asked if ADF has taken part in committing war crimes.
The US investigation will be a complete whitewash that covers up any culpability.

There was also a serious attack on an aid convoy going to Aleppo yesterday.
I believe the US conducted both attacks in an effort to scuttle the peace deal that would have saw the US work with Russia to combat Islamic State.
http://sputniknews.com/politics/20160920/1045493789/pentagon-russia-us-deal.html

The US has avoided providing intelligence to Russia on where pro-US proxy forces are operating within Syria - basically they're not moderates and are also embedded with extremists.

There seems to be a consensus in the alternative media that the NY bomb attacks were a diversion to change the media narrative away for the events in Syria.

In other Syria news Russia says that it will start shooting down Israeli jets.

More articles here.
http://quemadoinstitute.org/2016/09/19/evidence-grows-in-deir-el-zour-us-backs-isis-russia-makes-accusation/

When it will end this war? :(

@klechy6: "When it will end this war? "

WW3? My educated guesstimate is sometime ~2025. Wear a seat belt it could be one hell of ride from here on in.

It may end up being called the '24 Years War that ended all War' in the history scrolls.

That being the dogs of war were unleashed in 2001 - the tail was and is still wagging that dog.

Eventually both will be put down / euthanised inhumanely.

A new cycle will then begin for planet earth and us stupid human beings.

Meanwhile will the LNP ever be able to balance the Budget and will The Abbott regain his national pilots license? Such things are oh so important in the grand scheme of things - not!

Will the verified asylum seeking Refugees still be living on Manus and Nauru in 2025 - probably!

The summer Arctic Sea Ice should all be gone by 2025 as well. A timely co-incidence.

St Thomas the Prophet

(do make a note of this, I am unlikely to still be here in 2025)

<smile>

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What good luck, Syria has a navy just the right size for Australia.
Submarines:
2 Romeo-class submarines (inactive).
Frigates: (Soviet Union) 2
Missile boats:
(Soviet Union) 20
(Iran) 10
patrol boats:
(Soviet Union) 8
(Iran) 6 .

Morocco is much the same and France may be quietly pleased. Oz should be in top condition for the China grand final.

chrisgaff1000:

Not only get out of Syria, but get out of the whole crappy deal that the Yanks have sucked us into.

It is way past the time when thinking people should realize that this not so cleverly organized arrangement, sponsored by the dirt-bag U.N.
was designed right from the beginning to achieve it`s main aim, to REMOVE Assad from his leadership of Syria and replace it with a "friendly" glove puppet, who would carry out the wishes and expectations of the Globalist cabal that is trying desperately to create a major conflict, which America needs to solve it`s economic problems,(ie: create a Third World War)

In recent decades the U.S. and it`s "Coalition of the willing" (snivelling, warmonging toadies) have overthrown numerous long-standing and viable regimes, reducing their infrastructure to rubble, and destroying thousands of years of cultural artifacts in the process. The loss of life during these military adventures has been mind-boggling, the grand total will never be known, nor will the ratio of the deaths of the women and children, as compared to the deaths of the "enemy" soldiers.

If we were operating under a genuine system of responsibility, which should emanate from the U.N., many of the U.S. and Coalition participants would, and quite rightly should, be facing the War Crimes Tribunal in the Hague, to answer for the shocking crimes carried out against unarmed people, at various times and in various places, during the war against the "Weapons of Mass Destruction" and the "War against Terrorism"

Australia should now be smart enough to be sitting on the fence, not taking sides with anybody, watching and analyzing events and forming our own opinion as to right and wrong, instead of jumping into the pack of rabid dogs, and making enemies out of people and nations who we will possibly need as allies ourselves in years to come ( should the world survive the current ongoing insanity?)

Bashar Al Assad said the attack on Syrian forces by US and Coalition forces was 'definately intentional' and lasted for an hour. (IS attacked 7 minutes later)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2GUfBppapA
Russian forces had been calling the co-ordination centre, but the US official was unavailable for an hour.
They deliberately helped Islamic State try to take out a target that Islamic State could not take out by themselves, but even then they failed.
Lavrov told the UN that future ceasefire agreements are now off the table, citing 'mounting factual evidence of the US's continued flagrant violations on any number of points of agreement over the course of this conflict'.
http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/09/lavrov-makes-history-ceasefires-were.html
Lavrov has also officially stated to the UN that US government coordination with terrorists needs investigating.

Who gave the order to attack the Syria forces?

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/09/22/finally-the-russians-have-caught-on-that-negotiation-with-washington-is-pointless/

The attack of the UN convoy was in my opinion a false flag (and it looks like a rush-job) to divert attention away from the Deir Ezzor attack and create the context for a no-fly zone, which has been an part of the US and Coalition plan which it has as yet failed to achieve..
Russia has demanded a UN investigation.

The attack occurred in rebel-held territory and looks more like it was set alight rather than hit with explosives, as their were no shell holes or craters, though some images show the road had been bulldozed and cleaned during the night.
Rebels were heard chanting Allah Ackbar as the attacks unfolded.

http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/09/21/false-flag-us-nato-and-rebel-coalition-appear-to-have-fabricated-un-convoy-evidence/

http://www.globalresearch.ca/heres-how-the-us-israel-al-qaeda-and-isis-work-together-in-syria/5547155

No-fly zone would ‘require war with Syria and Russia’ – top US general
http://www.rt.com/usa/360317-carter-dunford-syria-russia-senate/

The decapitation strike on foreign intelligence officers in Aleppo by Russian Calibre missiles has probably left rebels without a command structure.
Syria and Russia have been going hard on Aleppo in recent days, probably hoping to gain ground while rebels are operating without a chain of command.

It would be a simple matter for all sides to bomb anywhere and anyone without aiming. Same results would be achieved without all this anxiety about discussion and progress.

@Armchair Critic et al, imo Russia has the US by the 'balls' and we good ol' gullible aussie suckers are stuck inside the sack.

Poor Kerry is likely as uninformed and kept in the dark as SoS Colin Powell was under Bush.

Obama's UN speech was surreal bordering on alien Sci-Fi. I liked what he 'said' in 2008 however he is in fact just another delusional Uncle Tom President who speaks out of both sides of his mouth at the same time. Neither Clinton or Trump will make any difference, the US is one very psychologically sick, non-democratic, deceitful and disturbed nation from top to bottom. The 'people' the decent silent majority there have no idea what is going on, and most of them do not care anyway.

The sooner a genuine honest Oz Statesmanlike leader with courage and conviction can arise and break through the constant lies and national disservice of our ideologically driven brainwashed career politicians and speak truth to the people of Australia the better.

The ANZUS treaty needs shredding yesterday. Australia needs to become an truly independent honest nonaligned nation that is not being run by idiots, psychopaths, gullible fools, warmongers, and incompetents.

The old neutral 'Sweden/ Switzerland' sounds like a good template to follow.

A note of caution, beware PCR and global research, there's quite a few 'loonies' there who are off with the faeries and can't tell the difference between real facts, logical conclusions, and their own fantastical imaginations.

So 'check the facts' always, seek confirmation from other sources before believing (just because it sounds ok) - beware the extreme ideological fundamentalist type rhetoric not based on facts or any evidence or 'logic'.

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And fwiw, I no longer worry about these matters nor keep myself uptodate anymore.

I cannot stop the lunatics of this world with such great power.

All I have is a vote now and then, the odd post on a forum that is usually a total waste of time - we are surrounded by Zombies - so I now spend my days enjoying my life as best I can, being there for my adult children (loving them and helping to keep them sane in this insane world).

I listen to the birds, look at the clouds float by, care for my friends and watch the whales swim by.

If there was protest march I would join it - 90% of Aussies don't even know why a revolution in our thinking is needed or that we have hit a crisis point years ago.

Fraser repeatedly tried to warn us all in his latter days, and he was laughed out of the room.

No one is going to listen to me nor anyone else on these pages.

But give it a shot anyway, and trust your own instincts and be passionate about it.

But I'm over it, seriously, many years ago now so all I can do is keep sending out positive vibes (or prayers if that works for you) to one and all.

Part of the Solution can be found in this excellent video
VISION OF THE FUTURE - MARSHALL ROSENBERG
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwHBD7Ihy5U

There are many more like him in this world - we never hear about them - the PEOPLE at all levels in our Media and Political parties are collective traitors to our freedoms and democracy and our essential Humanity.

Try to Focus on the solutions much more than the problems/causes - that will motivate more people.

Russell Brand tells it like it REALLY IS in 2013:

The 1% - "Because for me it's REAL" and "There's going to be a revolution - it's totally going to happen - this is the end, it's time to wake up"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YR4CseY9pk&feature=youtu.be&t=8m10s

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Hey Thomas,
Not much point worrying about things that you can't change I guess, although it's hard not to buy in and have a say when you see so much 'stupid' going on around the place..
I spent the first part of my life not paying a lot of attention to global, political and social issues, and then when I stopped to really look at what was going on was a little shocked by it all, how we are to some degree all being played, steered or managed.
I think I'm at a point where nothing too much surprises me anymore.
I sort-of get what's going on in the world, but don't have a real good handle on it.
So many players and agendas and stuff to learn.

I do have a few ideas for solutions, some past ramblings can be found here.
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=7368
Though I'm not sure my ideas are good or not.

Brand is better value than I expected when I first saw one of his interviews, a few years back.
I wasn't expecting him to be as intelligent as what he is, but I haven't seen anything from him in a while.

Back over to Syria,
Looks like I got in first with the 'war crime' comment, 'They'll' be coming for me.

http://www.news.com.au/national/a-war-crime-in-syria-with-aussie-jets-unlikely/news-story/cb53e264badc0cc9d99fe747f67ee49f

All I can do is try to see it from a different perspective.

Lets say our country was in a state of 'so-called' civil war and our diggers were holed up for years fighting Islamic State extremists and so called 'moderates' financially and militarily backed by our regional neighbours and a coalition of other countries?

And what if they whilst operating on our shores against our wishes killed and injured 200+ of our guys, how would WE see that?

A mistake, sweep in under the rug?
Not likely.

We're operating in Syria without an invitation, (not sure there is even a UN mandate for being in Syria) and acting against the democratically elected leader.
We're effectively 'an invasion force'.

These Syrians that were killed by our hands did not pack their bags and flee from danger, and be a part of the refugee problem.
They stayed on the front line to fight against people that are also supposedly our enemies.

I read a good comment yesterday and I'd like to share it.
"The tremendous will of the Syrian army in spite of the great odds coupled with the list of Syrian allies, defines the greatest of this country and its leaders. You cannot get this kind of loyalty and sacrifice if in fact the government is corrupt or lacks interest in the welfare of its people. The deeds out weigh the disinformation coming from the Western press."