Hi Loudmouth
I have no wish to spend time trying to convince people that the three tower were deliberately destroyed to create an environment that allowed the implementation of the patriot act, and a war that unlike any other fought before is anywhere near ending.

I will be honest I thought you were one of those who does a wee bit of research before posting an opinion. On this post you have words like vaguely recall and assume, which are not the language of a competent researcher.

You are correct that it was a ground breaking design in its day, and its structural integrity came from the outer walls. The columns were 350 mm wide spaced app 1 meter apart. There were 47 center columns made of 50 mm thick plate with a cross section of 40 cm by 90 cm.

Perhaps you have a think about how an aluminum tube flying at 450 miles an hour could smash its way through the steel outer columns. You might also like to wander how a liquid with a flash point of 210 c in any quantity could effect that thickness of structural grade steel.

My final point is, please don’t tell me I should move on it is insulting. I have no interest in trying to persuade you to believe anything you don’t want, just give me and thousands of architects, pilots and engineers who have studded this at length, some credit for their expertise. We believe the governments account of the events that day are implausible based on years of collective training.
Chris

What about the ping pong ball, Lefty One?

<<Perhaps you have a think about how an aluminum tube flying at 450 miles an hour could smash its way through the steel outer columns.>>

It appears there is only one belief here that is being held "steadfastly", and its not that of Joe or myself.

A plane is made up of more than a tube of aluminium too, by the way.

Hey AJ Philips,
While I disagree with your opinion about 9/11 I'd defend your right to have an opinion and share it.
You can make fun of me and my conspiracy theory opinions if you want, I'm not in the mood for inflaming things or making them worse.
If a persons arguments hold up there's no need for them to get upset or offended anyway and I think LEFTY ONE's going a bit far and moving into heated debate mode rather than calm constructive discussion.
Mind you I'm guilty of it at times...

There's a lot of info to pick apart regarding 9/11 and I'm not sure this is the thread for it.
I can tell you (going through the list on the link you posted) one thing they have wrong is that there most certainly was prior knowledge of the attacks because of the insider trading.
Also regards to yours and LO's discussions of molten steel there was reports of lava coming out of the rubble at least two weeks after the collapse.
But this is just a couple of the many many aspects to this particular subject.

Armchair Critic,

Yes, Lefty One’s quick switch from zero-to-heated-debate in the space of one response did, to me, give the claim of steadfastness an air of irony.

I’d like to see evidence of a lot of insider trading before the attacks, although it still wouldn’t be very good evidence. It would be like a reverse ergo propter hoc fallacy.

As for the molten-steel-in-the-rubble claims, they’re dubious to begin with (http://911myths.com/html/wtc_molten_steel.html). Although a controlled demolition wouldn't explain it any better than weakened structural support.

If such an operation were pulled off, it would require the knowledge of hundreds, if not thousands; and a study at Oxford using mathematics showed just how hard it is for people to keep secrets, and how that difficulty multiplies as more people are let in on the secret:

http://www.rt.com/news/330302-conspiracy-theories-oxford-study

How a big evil government manages to keep everyone silent, and yet can’t even shut down the YouTube channel of some crank, is something that is never explained.

Anyway, it comes as no surprise to me the fact that if one believes in one conspiracy theory, then they are likely to believe in many others, whether they be the moon landing, chemtrails, or lizard men. There is something else at work here and it’s not a keen eye for coverups.

Hi Lefty,

A basic law in physics is that momentum = half (mass of an object, times the square of its velocity). A doona hitting one of those towers at 500 mph would have done a lot of damage too. Velocity squared is not to be sneezed at. And why wire up that third building ?

Following AJ's point: knocking around Indigenous affairs for some time, I've had a theory about secrets and conspiracies for a while, that the chance of a leak is roughly proportional to the square (or perhaps the cube) of the number of people in the know, perhaps times the seriousness and/or consequences of the damage done by the conspiracy. A 'lone wolf' attack ? Still some chance of a leak about what is about to happen. Five people know about it beforehand ? A multitude of chances that it will be discovered. And so on.

Perhaps you're on safer grounds asserting that the CIA flew a missile into the Pentagon. Strange, no obvious antipathy between the heads of the CIA and the Pentagon over that ? Ah, because the Pentagon was in on it beforehand, and was prepared to sacrifice dozens of its staff, is that it ? Nobody IN the Pentagon passed on any leak to any colleagues, to those patsies who were about to be vaporised ?

Lies are very complicated, very difficult to maintain, especially the more people are involved. The truth is far simpler to maintain. An idiot can tell the truth and sleep soundly, but it takes a genius, or many geniuses, to knit together a fabrication. Or have I watched too many detective stories on TV ?

Anyway, BTT: Will Drumpf sink the boot into Hilary and harp on her illness ? You bet. And as if he hasn't castigated whole populations, Blacks, Hispanics, women ? What a slime.

Cheers,

Joe

Hi AJ Philips and Loudmouth,

Despite the fact I have a differing opinion about 9/11 I have to agree with you both about how hard it would be to plan and pull something like this off and keep it a secret.
And as much as I'm on the other side of the fence I do try to keep my feet on the ground as far as crazy conspiracy theories go, though I'm always open minded to consider all possibilities.
Toni Lavis thinks I'm the most guillible man alive, but well I guess we all have our opinions.

Now Loudmouth as I recall is Pro-Israel.
So I just want to make a point that I'm not bringing the following info to your attention for the benefit of denigrating Israel.
I'm simply sharing the information, thats all.

And if LEFTY ONE wants to have any chance of making it out of this mess, he's going to want to know every single fine detail in the following videos, because with 9/11 the devil's in the details.

Also AJ, I thought your ping pong ball demo was pretty good (and your explanation too Loudmouth) and I understand the basic theory behind what you both are trying to explain, however I don't think the plane was going 600kmh, I think it had slowed down to about 250knots or just over 450kmh though I'm not sure how much difference that makes.

9/11 Trillions: Follow The Money (Insider Trading on 9/11)
http://www.youtu.be/n3xgjxJwedA

Rebekah Roth Interviews
http://youtu.be/qdP95oSoOFk
http://youtu.be/xjOqcGSTL5M
http://youtu.be/I3HtKTSnJ48

LEFTY ONE,
I know the videos are time consuming, but if you really want to try to get to the bottom of it and put up a decent argument I've given you the tools to do so with these videos.

Regards Trump,
Not sure its really Presidential to lay the boot in over Hillary's health, except in areas where her ability to lead and make decisions could be impaired by it.
But obviously he's not going to let the opportunity completely go to waste. Hillary wouldn't.
Well see I suppose.