Will the hard won and expensive (for the public) experience of the Victorian government pass on to other federal, State and Territory jurisdictions?

Better yet, will the unelected alternative government of Australia, 'their' ABC, 'fact check'(LOL) that handling young thugs with kid gloves doesn't work and can have the opposite effect, establishing a pattern of offending, predicting serious offending later in life?

Victoria's learning experience
<'Sob stories' no excuse for crime: Andrews
AUGUST 7, 2016

Youths caught in a crackdown on home invasions and carjackings will not be able to hide behind "sob stories" as an excuse for their violent crimes, says Victoria's premier.
Operation Cosmas has netted 129 arrests since May - mostly youths under 18 - over a wave of violent home invasions and carjackings across Victoria.
Premier Daniel Andrews said on Sunday some offenders were as young as 13, they come from a variety of backgrounds and were often repeat offenders.
Mr Andrews said while it was "sometimes fashionable" to talk about how people could have difficulties in life "no one will be accepting sob stories in the face of these violent crimes".
"Aggravated burglary, carjacking, home invasions, these sorts of crimes are completely unacceptable and no Victorian is prepared to excuse this sort of behaviour because you've had a hard deal in life or because your circumstances aren't how you'd like them to be," he said.
The Premier threatened that anyone caught "will be put inside" and "feel the full force of the law".
"This is unacceptable in a modern Victoria, we will not make excuses for it, we will not seek to explain it away, we will instead make sure Victoria Police has the powers and resources they need," he said.
Deputy Commissioner Andrew Crisp said it was a "significantly worrying trend" that it was a smaller number of offenders, committing more crimes, at a younger age..>
http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/vic-crime-crackdown-nets-129/news-story/fa96b4c1d81a9f416d67899a5e01c6ad

Hi OTB,

At the risk of seeming to support Premier Andrews, I think he may be right. Perhaps Social Services in Victoria should develop courses and counselling for parents in what their obligations may be in city environments, and of course the youth involved should be sympathetically rather than punitively guided through similar courses in social integration.

For some ethnic groups, being dropped into urban environments like Melbourne's, really does involve a dramatic change in parenting responsibilities, just at a time when they themselves are trying to adjust as well, to find work, to recover from trauma, to pick up the pieces of their lives.

Another set of wicked problems.

Cheers,

Joe

The big question is, will a Left wing government actually put common sense into practice. Everybody knows that there has to be a serious crackdown on thugs; we don't need one of the dopiest politicians in Australia to tell us that. But Andrews has proven himself to all mouth and trousers, so the 'great plan' is unlikely to take hold in Victoria, let alone spread throughout the country. History shows that Australian politicians are incapable of protecting their citizens.

Hi there LOUDMOUTH...

You present some interesting thoughts on youth crime Joe, particularly some estranged ethnic groups not understanding nor knowing how to embrace city life in a large metropolis like Melbourne. Sympathetic as I am to their plight, it's still the responsibility of the parents of these groups, despite the difficulties they're encountering, to ensure they provide all the necessary protection and proper parenting, for their children in this puzzling new environment they find themselves in.

Hi there TTBN...

Yet again you've correctly identified the root cause of the majority of youth crime, committed in our big cities ! The protracted political paralysis of many of our political leaders to take pro-active and positive action, against ALL crime. Rather than simply emerging from their comfortable officers at election time; promising everything, and if re-elected, delivering nothing thereafter !

Many people have to serve a probation period simply when starting a new job. Surely for us to let anyone into our country it would not be asking too much for them to serve an official probation period.

I believe that a 2 year period of exemplify behaviour, when any misdemeanour by any member of a family meant instant deportation, regardless of the state of their homeland. This could be followed by a 5 year period where any criminal act against any person would draw the same fate.

It would have to be mandatory, with no exception for any type of so called mitigating circumstances, or some clown magistrate or minister would stop the system working.

I believe good behaviour is a habit, rather in the same way that bad behaviour is. After 5 years of behaving adequately to avoid deportation, there is a reasonable chance a pattern could have been set for these thugs, which would help them in the future, to live happy lives.

Those who were deported really don't matter, as they are a waste of space in any country.

Hi O Sung Wu & HasBeen,

Yes, that's right, and maybe both parents and their children are bound to break conventional rules early on BUT you would have thought that social workers with the Immigration Department, would have enough experience now of groups coming to Australia from very, very different political, social and economic backgrounds, to devise support programs for the parents and through them, for the kids.

I guess that's the point about a refugee intake - the people involved will, very likely, come from situations which are very different from what they will experience in Australia. You would have thought that Immigration people would have been ready for that inevitability ?

Cheers,

Joe