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No more sob stories

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It is about time the law regarding some criminal convictions committed as a child are suppressed is changed.

Any convictions for assault, sex offenses or assault in company as well as multiple convictions for the same offense should show up when the person is an adult.
Posted by Philip S, Monday, 8 August 2016 5:16:49 PM
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If the offenders are repeat offenders, the following should apply.

1. If they are not natural born Aussies, deport them and their families.
2. If they are Aussies, lock them away and charge the parents for the costs. If they don't work (the parents) then take $20 per week from both their centerlink payments then start charging the offender once they turn 18 or have a paying job. If this means paying for the rest of their lives, tough titties.
At the end of the day, the parents are the one who brought these kids into the world and like it or not, they must be held accountable. Take out insurance cover if they have to, but we must stop wasting our taxes on these thugs.
Posted by rehctub, Monday, 8 August 2016 8:20:36 PM
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What we are talking about here is commonly known as criminology but before making blanket comments about why youths turn to crime etc.. we should be asking ourselves if this kind of behavior is genetic? > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistical_correlations_of_criminal_behaviour#Genetics

IF this is true then the repercussions for society facing up to the facts about this antisocial behavior will be staggering and revolutionary to say the least..

Even back in 2014, there were reports of studies done into this although the control group was confined to 900 in Finland > http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-29760212

But now we have discussions about so called "warrior genes" > https://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2016/07/29/does-the-human-warrior-gene-make-violent-criminals-and-what-should-society-do/

So what do we make of all this? as far as universal agreement from educated experts in these areas, its seems the jury is still out. One thing for sure though, that better methodology and technology based tools will produce deeper analysis and thus differing conclusions.
You could say that about any form of science today though.
Posted by Rojama, Tuesday, 9 August 2016 1:19:52 PM
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Rojama: There has already been a massive experiment done on whether criminal behaviour is genetic or not. More than 150,000 criminals were placed on an isolated island and allowed to breed for several generations. The organisers of this believed that criminality was genetic and thought they were ridding their homeland of future problems.

Contrary to expectations, in the new environment the majority of the criminals turned over a new leaf and became successful members of society. Their children and subsequent descendants were even more successful. Their new country prospered so well that people from all over the world try to join them. And there was no decline in crime in their homeland.

I'm a descendant of about six of those criminals, and I'm not aware of any criminality in their descendants, who are by and large very conservative, and range from business people, to teachers and scientists.

Genetics plays a key part in human behaviour, but the environment in which the genetics play out is vital. The same genetically influenced behaviour - risk-taking, cleverness, survival instincts, street smarts - may lead to criminality in situations of war, poverty etc., but lead to entrepreneurialship, invention, and success where conditions are favourable.

Some of those refugee youths probably only survived because of their risk-taking behaviour, now in Australia they have difficulty in turning those same traits to productive use. Maybe because they feel they are still beleaguered here?
Posted by Cossomby, Wednesday, 10 August 2016 12:49:59 AM
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The difference between the oppressed & the oppressor in these African & middle eastern countries, is a matter of who won the last fight. In no way are even genuine refugees any better than their oppressors.

The moment they find our ultra gentle system they are encouraged in their thuggish behaviour.

Personally, & in my experience, most normal Ozzies don't give a damn if these people could become almost useful citizens. That it will cost us a fortune to support them is given. That many will personally suffer at the hands of these thugs is also a given.

Most of us can see no reason that we should suffer by allowing them to come here.

When we can no longer support our own, without huge deficits it is time to call enough, & stop this stupidity.
Posted by Hasbeen, Wednesday, 10 August 2016 9:38:00 PM
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hasbeen:

I agree with you absolutely on this subject, however I would like to offer my opinion to further try to explain why we are now suffering so much youth violence or violence across the whole of society.

Parenting and growing up of children is fast becoming an "industry"
thanks to the warped values that have been enacted through our Parliamentary system, virtually paying women to have children, and then having the taxpayers pay for some of their upkeep.

I would point out that in this day and age, with all the "social enlightenment" there is NO reason at all for a woman to "accidentally" fall pregnant, unless of course by way of rape, which falls into a totally different category.

With this principle in mind, we must assume that a conception is a desired or planned event, and could appear to be somewhat financially rewarding to the mother to be. Unfortunately the cost of raising a child today is somewhat astronomical in comparison to the public financial benefits currently being handed out, thus a parent with half a brain quickly realizes the social and moral cost of parenthood.

In this age of "social enlightenment" the institution of Marriage has gradually been diminished, with the "partnership" arrangement replacing it. The problem being that in many cases, one partner decides to fly the coup (for better feeding grounds) leaving the remaining male or female ex-partner to carry the can, and the child/children.

Social problem exposed! Children from single parent "families" with little discipline or moral principles exercised, resulting in out of control offspring. Add to that the absolute garbage that passes for entertainment on the idiot box, the mass brainwashing by the MSM and our Politicians, coupled with the "bleeding hearts" who have made it illegal to physically punish a child for wrong-doing, and we have the material for budding hooligans!
Posted by Crackcup, Monday, 15 August 2016 9:35:32 AM
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