butcher,

"So David, I respectfully ask you how is your water argument going,..."

The question is, how is "your" water argument going?

You know, the one where you advocate we all boil recycled water to drink.

The one which would likely be a vector for all sorts of interesting diseases....

Lol!....still banging on about the fictitious numbers which you are too lazy to produce.

(P'rhaps coz they don't exist)

Get to it, rehctub!

Dear rehctub,

I am glad you have contributed to charity.

You wrote: “So David, I respectfully ask you how is your water argument going, or do the free loaders you want to support in their tens of thousands not require water?”

I support no freeloaders, and I am sick of you calling unfortunate people freeloaders. My father fled from czarist Russia and worked hard all his life. He was a refugee. Later the czarist government was overthrown, and my father was able to bring other members of his family from Soviet Russia to the United States. Some members of his family were young enough to work, and they did. His father was too old to work, and he was supported by the members of his family who were young enough to support him. My mother’s father and mother also escaped czarist Russia and also came to the United States. Since they all came from a non-English speaking country I assume not all of them spoke English. To you they would have been freeloaders. To me they are family.

My wife’s father comes from Norway, and her mother was born in Russia, also non-English speaking countries. I am in Australia because of her. She was born here, grew up here and wanted to come back when I retired..

The refugees you call freeloaders come from horrible places. A person usually does not leave their homeland unless things are going badly there. Both czarist and Soviet Russia were tyrannies, and there were many refugees. That is why my family and many other people left. As you pointed out many of today’s refugees fled from violent countries. You saw that a reason to exclude them. I see that as a reason to welcome them. People leave Australia for one reason or another, but they are not in general leaving Australia because it is a horrible place. To repeat the people you call freeloaders are in the main decent people who come from horrible places.

There is no way one can respectfully call decent, unfortunate people freeloaders. Wash your filthy mouth.

Here you go, butcher,

A nice example of the way these vandals who call themselves a govt have screwed up a perfectly good system - and simultaneously cost the taxpayer more.

"Private vocational courses cost taxpayers seven times as much as TAFE, analysis finds"

"It is costing taxpayers on average seven times more to educate a student at a private vocational college than a public TAFE, according to new analysis of federal government figures.

Taxpayers forked out $73,200 per graduate from private colleges on average, but only $10,500 per graduate in TAFE courses in 2014, two years after the Gillard government paved the way to marketise vocational training."

"The cost blowout is in part because despite deep funding cuts, TAFE maintained significantly higher completion rates than private colleges in 2014 (87 per cent compared with 44 per cent for private providers)."

""In a tight fiscal environment it is criminal to see billions of tax dollars being squandered to prop up private providers who aren't even giving their students a qualification.

"The whole system needs to be scrapped and all government funding for vocational education and training returned to the public sector."

The federal opposition spokesman on higher education and skills, Kim Carr, blamed the blowout on Turnbull-Abbott mismanagement.

"The Liberals have failed to stop the waste," Mr Carr said. "The Turnbull government has paid private providers $5.4 billion of taxpayers' money without any concern about outcomes, such as how many students graduate and the quality of the training they receive.

"Other than cutting $2.75 billion from vocational education to date, their only substantive response has been to release a discussion paper."

http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/private-vocational-courses-cost-taxpayers-seven-times-as-much-as-tafe-20160616-gpk7bf.html

david f:

" ... There is no way one can respectfully call decent, unfortunate people freeloaders. Wash your filthy mouth. ... "

In the days when bars of soap were more common there was a particular brand of the grease cutting variety which was also indicated for these kinds of circumstances. .. can anyone remember the name of it?

..

What a shame the Greens Leader did so poorly in defence of his position visa vi his "Nanny."

Australia really needs a 3rd force in Industrial Relations.
Say no to dead wood, pencil fiddling, $500p.h.++ wig parasites!
Say no to compulsory Unionism!

Rather, say yes to the empowerment of the Ombudsman, where complaints are of the direct and plain english variety. Where outreach is practised. Where the burden of proof is on the employer to prove that they are doing the right thing visa vi a meritorious complaint AND if not, % based fines such that employers be they big or small will feel the pain in their pocket. Additionally, they will if found to be at fault in relation to one employee, thereafter have to prove their position in relation to all of their employees, and be compelled to backpay in toto ++ along with a public apology or liquidate them & pull their ABN.

Say no to your livelihoods been held to ransom to the unreasonable whims of others.

Say no to being gouged by vets and dentists when a family member is in pain. Put them on Medicare. Fixed price with a monthly index along with the rest of the medics.

Wig Parasites back on Legal Aid.

Say no to the idiocy of mainstream politicians and vote for the transfer of key fiscal responsibilities to the Reserve Bank or equivalent independent body.

And say no to rules which allow the banks and others to bind you by contract to effectively do as they please with your money in the midst of the transaction process. And say no to their scrambling of the transaction list chronology.

Wages cannot go up, but some expenses can be forced down.

I don't disagree with you on that one Poirot, those so called training mobs are a rip off and have been for decades.

As for boiling water, as usual you are trying to make a mountain out of an ant hill.

Recycled water is not untreated sewage water as you seem to be referring to, its just that why do we bath in A class drinking water, because to me that's a complete waste. Surely there is a level water can be treated to that is safe for use, just not recommended for drinking. A bit like many bore waters, you can live on them, but they taste like S...

David, a refugee is someone fleeing persecution. If this is the case, why do they pass so many other peaceful nations to get to ours, if it's not for the handouts?

Surely you of all people have seen the change in immigration since your days.

Immigrants used to come here for a better life, and good on them, but you can't tell me these lot are of the same working mentality, wanting to make a go of life here.

But, as I often say David, feel free to turn a blind eye and bury your head in the sand.

I am wondering *David F* how is it that you are happy to live among these people? These are the ones that "turned back the boats" on those fleeing the Nazis.

And the stench of them offends me.

The fell Spirit that motivated their forebears appears to be alive and well to this day.

I was amused to hear brandis stating that "Shorten's" comment that he would consider a "Treaty" with the Original people to be "unhelpful."

How is that these largely filthy white trash reckon that after all of the atrocities that they have committed that they still get to make the rules?

Or is it just that they are less bad than others?