Poirot, I have never claimed to be a good speller, however I also believe that if the message gets through, then whats the big deal.

On the topic, Sunday rates for these sectors were increased to double time back in early 2008. So I dismiss your argument about 1919.

The other point you wont accept is that anti social hours are no longer the plausible argument as it is the trend of the people who have created these hours, not the shop owners as prior to the likes of Maccas (wrong spelling but you know who I mean) none of these businesses traded on Sundays.

Society has demanded a seven day society, and have to pay for the privilege. It truly is that simple.

BTW, I think Malcom Turnbull is not the right person to lead our nation, however neither is Bill Shorten, a though that is backed up by the apparent shifting of votes away from the majors.

Having said that, I do feel Malcom is the better of the two on offer. Besides, how can anyone trust labor on economics.

Poirot, please do not give old Butch a thumping, because he wants to discuss the 'Rhinoceros Poultry Rats' every poly worth his salt is onto it. Even 'Fairy Wonks Albania' is trying to make a incision on that very subject. Even working O/T on Sundays at triple time and a half to solve the problem of unfair penalty rates!

Sorry Butch we know what you mean.

rechtub,

"Society has demanded a seven day society, and have to pay for the privilege. It truly is that simple."

What is "simple" is that 67.8% of workers do not work on weekends - and 32.2% do - how can that be defined as "demanding a seven day society"?

If the figures were about face, your argument would be stronger.

Regarding Malcolm - can you tell me anything he's said that truly holds some substance...apart from his tax cuts to big business for a 0.6% growth trajectory over twenty years. He valiantly tried to explain that last night to Leigh, in all its incremental glory...and waffled on ad nauseam.

He's such a trooper!

"... Besides, how can anyone trust labor on economics."

Lol!....debt way up, wages down, private business investment down, business confidence down, spending up - all under the Abbott/Turnbull govts.

You were saying?

Poirot, are you a politician by any chance?

As for the 68% who don't work, this is just a hint Poirot, perhaps they are the ones out there demanding the cafes be open on Sundays so they, in their leisure time, can grab a coffee and a feed.

Lets face it, if the numbers were the other way there would be no customers because they would all be working. Tell me you're taking the piss will you.

As for Malcom, I've already told you he's a dud. In fact, no doubt you saw my thread titled Mr Waffle well before the press go holed of him. It's just that Bill is a bigger dud. A union thug that says one thing but means another.

Here he is offering all these gifts, with no plan on how to fund them, yet some of the plebs actually believe him. More fools are they, although some also thought Tony Abbott would get his hair brained parental leave scheme off the ground as well. The truth is you just cant help some people as they will get sucked in time and time again.

So my tip is the FWC will suggest PR for Sundays be set at Saturday rates, which is still a 25% increase, and which also proves employers are willing to compromise. Its a pity Bill and his union thug mates won't, because as long as they take their current stace, the only looser will be the tax payer because cafes will open, and cash will be paid. t's a given

Poirot,

The whole point of reviewing penalty rates is to bring them in line with life as it is today. The rates for Saturday are 1.5x and the rates for Sunday are 2x originally made so because of religious observance. As only about 6% of modern Aussies attend Church, this is outdated, and the consequences is that many shops are closed on a Sunday, where there are many people that would be quite happy to work at 1.5x on Sundays and Saturdays. This would create more employment, boost the economy and taxes and enable to government to deliver more services.

Try and argue with the points made by SM Poirot. Although I do suspect the rate will be 1.25 not 1.5, which is still a large boost for working what you class as 'unsociable hours' in a society that has demanded businesses be open those hours.

Pre 7 day or mid week late night trading, hundreds of families enjoyed diner together and would normally spend Sundays as a family.

Society demanded the change, knowing full well it would impact on certain within the workforce. Big business welcomed the changes with open arms as they knew it would effect small operators.

Some small operators are making a comeback due to the greed displayed by big business as they, big business, have ripped off the farmers, ripped off the suppliers and transport companies, and the only ones left are the shareholders and they speak with their dollars.

BUT, and this is a huge but, the small operators don't miss out, just the tax payer as SM rightly points to.

Paul, please try something new, you becoming very boring. There have been a few posters over my ten years on OLO who I just move past, please don't become one of those. You're much better than that.