Hi Poirot,

Well, yes,: if you can't see the difference between looking after only 'one's own', and being prepared to help strangers, then you really do need to re-read previous posts. Take your time, there are certainly some difficult concepts involved: tolerance versus intolerance, inclusiveness versus tribalist exclusion, civilization versus backwardness, Christianity versus Islamism.

As for Dutton, as I understand it, he is not saying that we shouldn't be taking any refugees - he hasn't said anything against the current (or projected future) intake - just that they may be very expensive to integrate into the Australian economy and society, which is probably incontrovertible.

Personally, I would be more comfortable with larger intakes, particularly if they are targeted to include the most oppressed, say the Yazidis, Assyrians and Chaldeans, and any Jews who may still remain in Muslim countries, Rohingya from Burma, Muslims from Ethiopia and Christians from Eritrea.

But to reiterate, Dutton's remark about refugees taking jobs was stupid, brainless.

Cheers,

Joe

Loudmouyh,

"Well, yes,: if you can't see the difference between looking after only 'one's own', and being prepared to help strangers..."

Well...hohoho!...coming from someone who takes every opportunity to toot his particular brand of "Watch out, folks - they're a threat"..that's quite amusing.

Yes, Dutton's comment was stupid and brainless - but so are all of his comments.

As Dutton's comments were correct, that would make any comments to the contrary stupid and brainless.

SM,

Dutton says that not only will they languish on the dole - they'll take your jobs as well!

He's pretty sharp is young Peter...

ROFL!

Hi Poirot,

When have I ever supported your assertion: " .... coming from someone who takes every opportunity to toot his particular brand of "Watch out, folks - they're a threat"..that's quite amusing." ?

Certainly I've tried to point out the reactionary nature of Islam, its tribal roots, its deadening circular arguments, certainly its misogyny, contempt for labour and reliance on others - slavery in the old days, and, well, slavery in more recent times, its barrenness of enquiry, its lack of contribution to human knowledge and parasitism on the knowledge of others such as Greeks and Indians - don't get me started. i.e. I'm concerned to condemn the ideological underpinnings and teachings of backward religions like Islam: it's probably the Marxist still in me :) Christ, read what Marx wrote in his Notes on Indian History (i.e. Mughal History).

I've defended the right of Muslim women to wear what they like, out of sympathy for what they have to tolerate under the demands of patriarchal systems, and I'll defend the rights of Hazara and Rohingya and Ethiopian Muslims to come to Australia as migrants and refugees. In other words, I'm happy to defend Muslims' human rights, as per Australian principles, and equality of all before the same rule of law.

So if an ad hominem is all you've got, I'd suggest that you've run out of puff, Poirot. Bullying is not possible on-line, sweetie, so there's really no point trying it.

Cheers and sympathies,

Joe

Poirot.

you see the tribal poverty in those wartorn African areas like sudan and Libya
where a lot of these immigrants are coming from.

They certainly dont have jobs, because there arent any,in a lot of cases.
Therefore they are not prepared for life in Western countries.

Peter Dutton would have seen the statistics for unemployment figures and lack of
a schooling background in groups in this country, so he would know what he was
talking about.
Those crying down what he said, have no factual information about the uneducated,
lifetime,unemployed single males that are coming into Western countries so their
comments are based on emotional hysteria and not fact.

Also, the unemployment in Lebanon is very high, I remember watching a documentary
on Tv about it a few months ago. I forget the exact percentage but I think it was around
the halfway mark and up. So they dont work,they just hang around.