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The end of nature

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Climate change is now irreversible. Much of the planet has been urbanised. Highly sophisticated technology has taken over “natural” processes, from food production to human production, like IVF programs.

Is it time to accept the reality of a lifeless, bleak future altered by humans? Or can we develop science to face the realities of a “post natural” world?
Posted by NathanJ, Monday, 2 May 2016 1:56:49 PM
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What a depressing comment NathonJ.
I feel a bit more optimistic about the world's future than you do.
Climate has changed regularly in our world since the beginning of planet earth, and will continue doing so. There is nothing surprising there.

Humans have well developed brains and they continue to evolve and think of new inventions and innovations as time goes on, so new technologies like IVF and other scientific /medial discoveries will continue as always.

Isn't it better to embrace all these changes and realise that mostly they are trying to improve our world, not destroy it?
Posted by Suseonline, Monday, 2 May 2016 9:58:02 PM
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I'm not as pessimistic as Nathan...but Suse...."Climate has changed regularly in our world since the beginning of planet earth, and will continue doing so. There is nothing surprising there."

Straight out of the denier's handbook.

It's never changed this rapidly without a universally cataclysmic event....any explanation for that?
Posted by Poirot, Monday, 2 May 2016 10:21:31 PM
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Poirot, I am not denying climate change at all am I? What I wonder is with each new record of climate event there is always a "...not since 1938, 1945, 1920 has it been so bad". So, what caused it back then?
I am just not convinced it is us mere humans 'causing' all the current climate problems, other than some pollution related problems.

We have only had climate reported and recorded by humans for a minuscule amount of our Earth's history, so unless you have ESP, or are spoken to regularly by one of the supposed gods out there, you and I have absolutely no idea whether this type of climate we are having right now has not happened before.
Posted by Suseonline, Monday, 2 May 2016 10:40:42 PM
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Dear Nathan,

Science will allow you to survive, it is extremely effective at that, but it will never make you happy.

Take refuge in God - and find comfort even in the darkest of times.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 3 May 2016 1:45:09 AM
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Suse,

The rate of current warming is so rapid - change like this has happened before but it usually takes many many thousands of years on a geologic time scale. On that same time scale the human induced release of carbon into the atmosphere is equivalent to a "sudden outgassing"

But I don't have time to get back into this right now - there's plenty of info out there if you wish to understand what you are talking about.

Suffice to say, yes climate has always changed, yes, humans are merely an organism on the earth occupying a small climate niche in which it was possible to build civilisation....if we screw it up because we used our intelligence, but not our wisdom - the planet will continue on its merry way.
Posted by Poirot, Tuesday, 3 May 2016 8:50:51 AM
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