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The Forum > General Discussion > at what poinmt should we start discriminating, especuially against our young job seekers.

at what poinmt should we start discriminating, especuially against our young job seekers.

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Armchair Critic,

Yes and you are right.

All the best.
Posted by onthebeach, Thursday, 21 April 2016 10:13:58 PM
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poirot, while I'm not one to make excuses, I do work a 60 plus hour week and oversee another business, so yes, most of my posts are rushed due balancing the need to work and my wanting to contribute to the forum. So please accept my apologies.

Having said that, I hold the belief that spelling is over rated and there have been examples to prove this.

As for Pauls comments, i'm the first to admit that my academic skills are not A1, but I am very astute in the areas that really matter, that being math and customer relations and I have a track record to prove it.

While butchery is one of those trades that the 'non geniuses' such as myself can thrive at, most school grads today don't even know their basic times tables and percentages is something that they have totally skipped in their ten/twelve years of schooling. What are they teaching kids today?

On the subject of academic skills, I have a young guy with me now, 21, who is a first year apprentice. He is very poorly educated.

The criteria I have adopted for selecting a worker is the old 'employ an attitude and teach it skills' and this kid is a poster boy for that famous statement although he does test my patience.

Had he arrived with his skill level, and had bright hair colour with crap hanging our of his face he would never have got a start, and I don't think i'm the only employer who thinks like this.

Success starts with attitude and the willingness to present ones self in a positive manner to a prospective employer and if the job one is seeking does not discriminate against these things, then that's fine, but don't come knocking on the likes of retail/hospitality doors and expect a positive response because in these fields, the customers become the judge. And let's face it, these two sectors play a large role in the first job out of school for job seekers.
Posted by rehctub, Friday, 22 April 2016 5:46:08 AM
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Butch, I was not bagging the butchering trade, simply stating the way things were back then. For the right bloke such as yourself it presented an opportunity for success, that may not have come your way had you gone in another direction.
Today living in inner Sydney I see a lot of odd characters, young and old, some seem to work, some don't. The young people I come across, the majority are rather normal, the freaky people are certainly in the minority, even in Newtown. One young bloke I talk to, he's about 25 and a transvestite, sometimes I come across him, dressed straight, other times he's in drag. It took a while but he eventually scored a job as a van driver, got it himself, and he seems very happy with it. When we first meet he came across as being angry with me, talked abrupt, he was a bit of a clown, but I think it was more of a defense mechanism, him being what he is. and me being what I am, totally different. Given time he's accepted me, as much as I have accepted him. and we get on fine. Sometimes it only requires a little bit of understanding on both sides. Tats and piercings don't make for a good person, but they don't make for a bad one either.
Its not new that some kids fail through the cracks in the education system.
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 22 April 2016 6:54:40 AM
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rehctub,

Since you are critiquing qualities and appearances in other people, it's relevant to point out that just because you think spelling is overrated, it doesn't necessarily follow you won't be judged for the appearance of your comments.

I'm not necessarily criticising your spelling prowess or the fact that you make mistakes. I am one for making inadvertent typos myself.

MY point is that you seem to be the type who would say: "A job worth doing is a job worth doing well." You've shown us that you can type a comment with care - and yet you repeatedly slap dash posts with the most glaring negligence.

All it takes is an extra few minutes to look at what is down on the page and correct it.

I'm sure you instil that kind of ethic in the people you train in your line of work....it's called attention to detail.

My other point here is that I've never understood why Graham doesn't edit thread titles with glaring mistakes in them in the general section. If you were coming to OLO for the first time and saw the spelling at the top of this thread - you'd probably think it was pretty amateur operation.
Posted by Poirot, Friday, 22 April 2016 7:38:33 AM
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rehctub,

When you make as many mistakes as I do, then you should worry, LOL.

BTT

Job seekers etc.,

I am reminded of the saying, 'When the student is ready, the teacher appears'.

Some will never be ready. Maybe that is because they are stupidly over-estimating their own worth and knock back 'lesser' opportunities. Maybe they stupidly imagine that society owes them a living. Whatever their motivation and rationalisation, they are still stupid.

"They don't know moi. They judge moi and don't want to elevate me straight to manager (won't accept anything less!) because of moi artwork".

Yeah, right!
Posted by onthebeach, Friday, 22 April 2016 5:22:34 PM
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I don't know if they believe that the world owes them a living onthebeach, but they know our fool current welfare society will give them one, no matter how useless they are. Our western civilisation is bound the way of the dodo, as we are most unlikely to toughen up enough to make our bludgers earn a living. While we don't, their numbers grow exponentially.

Reduce the welfare to a tent, & 3 cans of cold beans a day, & watch these bludgers scrabble to find work. The hair, tats & body piercings
would quickly become last years way of avoiding a job.

You know I can hear the bleeding hearts now, "think of the children"

As for spelling, I don't give a damn. I am interested in what is being said, & provided I can get the meaning, who cares.

I gather most of us journalise anyway, usually using only the first 2 & last 2 letters of a word to decipher it. This is great for me. Being slightly dyslexic, I can transpose the e & a in a word like teacher, & not be able to see my error in a dozen proof readings. Thus I don't notice, or care about, the errors of others.

Then with my typing ability, when spell checker is working I can have a very colourful page, just with my mishit keys. Just as long as I can continue to tell which way is up, an increasingly rare skill, I'm happy.
Posted by Hasbeen, Friday, 22 April 2016 7:41:32 PM
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