Look, not everyone out there that has tattoos paid for them with dole payments, it's not right to put everyone into that category, I reject that, but I do accept the stereotype you're directing your criticisms at.

Many of them are unintelligent unproductive bums.

I understand you don't like seeing your taxes thrown down the toilet and the choices and lifestyles these people make for themselves with that money, (and you've got a right to voice that opinion) but it's not black and white, there's always another side to the story.

Whilst your kids have enjoyed the benefit of having a father who taught them responsibility, and will be successful not all kids today have that.

Today's women have a financial incentive to have babies because economists want to increase the birth rate.
So you have ghetto breeding more ghetto without fathers, and the 'smart ones' that helped to create this situation.

You're getting upset at these people when its not all their fault in the way you're trying to say it is.

Instead of being angry at these people you should have some sympathy for them, not so much for the choices they foolishly make for themselves; though you should recognise that many didn't have fathers like you and don't know any better.

But because while your kids will grow up to own businesses, the most these people will ever be if they are lucky are employees for people like you and your kids.

I reject on some level your will to discriminate against these people simply because they haven't conformed to your standards when it isn't entirely their fault (the system created them), though I accept wholeheartedly your frustration at seeing your tax dollars thrown away.

rehctub,

I probably wouldn't employ someone with rats tails and a bull ring through their nose in a main stream business, where duties involve dealing with mainstream customers on the floor - simply because it would be a turn off.

I don't see too many young people of that ilk in my community though.

Tell me though, would you employ someone who looks more mainstream but whose written communication ability is of this quality?

"at what poinmt should we start discriminating, especuially against our young job seekers."

"yes well, as suspected, ive opened a can of worms"

For someone who routinely bangs on about your integrity - all the signs from you on this forum are that you can't even be bothered editing your own writing. We all make typos but yours are always a litany of rushed off sloppy mistakes - no attention to detail at all as far as presentation of your viewpoint is concerned.

Armchair Critic,

No-one is arguing that every person with a tattoo somewhere no matter how small and unobtrusive is automatically a poor employee.

You have a point there where fatherless families are concerned. Although the fathers even if known is usually feral himself. Likely he and some of his sexual conquests (with rum'n'coke and recreational drugs to help) are sharing progeny to get the best they can out of Centrelink.

Although it is a toss-up which is worse for the luckless children, the @rse who just HAS to pass on his genes, or the night visitors (and overstayers, but watch out for Centrelink!) mum finds at the RSL while the kids are babysitting themselves at home.

As far as trying to get any of these dole bludgers to work and to see the benefit to themselves and the spin-off positive modelling to children, the chances of that happening is nil unless they are forced to do so. What employer wants the management problems of these vain, stupid and lazy buggers or the lost customers?

As for trying to get the 'Struggle Streets' dads to take any real responsibility for the eggs they wantonly fertilised, best of luck there too. They would boast of their children and hope to one day leech from them too, but be around and take care of them? Not on your Nelly!

What if the foolish young could consider temporary stains on their skin instead? While that is not without risk, that is minor compared with the other alternative. Still, if mum and significant others in the child's life have the tatts and make poor decisions generally, what hope for the child? How to break the cycle where the child is in their 'care'(sic) is the problem.

'fathers' should be 'father'

Hi Poirot,

The perception in society of the butchering trade in my younger days; It was perceived as a "semi-trade" not for the sharpest tools in the shed. It was in essence for the kid (boys, they were all boys in those days) who was a bit brighter than the Joe who was only good for digging holes in the road. A "trade" working in a chop shop, selling snags and rissoles to old ladies and lamb chops to housewives, suited some whose reading, writing and comprehension skills would be tested in a less manual pursuit. Such a perception was probably just another case of stereotyping.

Hey onthebeach,
The only point I was trying to make was that if you're gonna give 'em a serve offer equal criticism to the system that made them, that's all.