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With Turnbul and Shorten, are we on a road to nowhere?

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Just think, if Shorten, Plibersek et al get into office they could do something about the CFMEU and other unions that have been found to be corrupt.

Then again, maybe they would just pull the tarp over the stinking corruption again.

No bets taken!
Posted by onthebeach, Monday, 4 April 2016 12:53:06 PM
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onthebeach,

Class warfare is unAustralian. We're all in it together, and Aussies know this.

The Libs were smart enough to rail against Julia's dumbest remark, but their rhetoric runs contrary to the reality, for many of their policies benefit the rich at the expense of everyone else.

But improving things for the battlers is NOT class warfare.
And closing tax loopholes is NOT class warfare.
Both are responsible policies that benefit the nation as a whole.

And a policy that results in more people owning their own homes is likely to be a good thing.

Considering what they've said about the problem of corruption being much wider than just in the unions, I think it's likely that Labor will soon promise to set up a Federal ICAC, which would deal with union corruption and a lot more besides.

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rehctub, sorry my original response neglected to address the two major problems you claimed:
"where is a land going to come from for new housing and commercial buildings,"
Probably the same as now: some from farmland, some from existing housing and commercial buildings, and some from old industrial sites.

"where are the buyers going to come from for the old houses or premises when people/businesses want to upgrade."
Some from people who want to live there, and some from those who want to rent it out, as it can still be profitable without being used as a tax dodge (and negative gearing would still be permitted for new development regardless of the current use of the land).
Posted by Aidan, Monday, 4 April 2016 2:13:08 PM
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Hasbeen,

"Did you actually read rehctub's post Poirot?

He is saying that all this waffle by Turnbull was actually a clever trick to force the states into a position where they can no longer hold their hands out demanding more money..."

"Clever"? ..oh really?...

Hohoho!

Even right-wing shock jocks are calling out the "stunt".

"When it comes to interviewing Treasurer Scott Morrison, Sydney shock jock Ray Hadley is more familiar playing the role of partner-in-crime than sparring partner.

But on Monday, the two mates' usual love-in took on a more sceptical tone, as the broadcaster pushed back against the government's latest rhetorical flourish that "we must live within our means".

"Now hang on, that's a slogan," Hadley interrupted. "Live within our means, that's a slogan. That's a four-word slogan."

"This apparent distance between Mr Turnbull and Mr Morrison prompted their spin doctors to arrange a farcical photo opportunity on Friday afternoon, following the Council of Australian Governments meeting in Canberra. For all of about 15 seconds, camera-carrying folks were treated to the visual of Mr Turnbull and the Treasurer getting into the Prime Minister's car."

""I think it looked a little forced and so did other people," Hadley said. "Were you chained to the car or handcuffed?"

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/thats-a-fourword-slogan-ray-hadley-lashes-scott-morrison-on-government-slogans-and-stunts-20160404-gnxjny.html#ixzz44q23WWYC

Pathetic....
Posted by Poirot, Monday, 4 April 2016 4:57:07 PM
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Aidan, lets look at both, housing and commercial separately.

Housing. Many of our developments come from small acreages chopped into housing blocks, a typical 5 ac block returns about 20 600m2 lots, so with lots now as small as 270m2 the numbers are much higher.

When a developer/investor buys a 5 ac lot, usually with a house on it, they negatively gear this, either for years (land banking) or for the time it takes to get the DA's and plans in place. Shortens policy puts this at risk and this is why I say, "where will the land come from", also, if a new house drops in price by say 20% to say $400,000, who is going to buy that house as a rental when the owner wants to upgrade. Unless of cause the rents goes to $600 per week.

Commercial. It is common for businesses to outgrow their premises so say they built the old one for $1,000,000 and the new one costs $2,000,000, who is going to buy the old one if the interest cant be deducted.

Answer these questions and I will happily debate the issue with you as im of the opinion this policy will cripple our economy ruin the building industry at the same time.

Happy to be proven wrong.
Posted by rehctub, Monday, 4 April 2016 8:09:38 PM
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*So here's our fabulous leader proposing to make a seismic change to our country's taxing regime - and he doesn't even have documentation to support it.

Incompetent.*

No Poirot. He thinks like an entrepreneur, not like a bureaucrat!

There is everything right with coming up with new concepts and presenting them for discussion, which is exactly what happened. The Premiers were not interested, fair enough. So he saved time and money, which is how it should be. You are nitpicking :)
Posted by Yabby, Monday, 4 April 2016 9:01:36 PM
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Yabby,

Nitpicking, eh....

This "entrepreneur" waves around a new idea every second day.

He doesn't actually do anything...hasn't produced any economic policy of substance....excludes his Treasurer from his inner circle (which leader ever did that?)....and has an election simmering in the wings.

No doubt, you think he's really clever.

I think he's a vacuous clod - politically speaking - who has no idea what to do if he can't control the narrative.
Posted by Poirot, Monday, 4 April 2016 10:11:48 PM
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