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The Paris atrocities are a display of faith

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If God wanted to kill the Inidel surely he would have
The power to immediately strike them dead.

How do you then explain the same kind of killing
And warefare
Carried out in exactly the same way, by revolutionaries and Warlords
And many other non-religious armies and militants across the globe.
The ethnic cleansing is the same as Hitler, the only thing missing is the gas ovens.

Holy war, my foot, it is a murderous, racist,territorial war is what it t is,

These terrorists are not radicalised, so much as filled with racial hatred

This so called Holy murder is the same old human war like behaviour.
Posted by CHERFUL, Sunday, 22 November 2015 12:09:47 AM
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Hitler,
We want a German , blue eyed, blonde haired race,world wide

The muslim terrorists,
We want a Muslim caliphate, world wide
(As long as it only has members of our own partticular
Muslim tribe in it, we will ethnically cleanse the rest)

This is text book Nazi speak by the so called holy Muslims.
Posted by CHERFUL, Sunday, 22 November 2015 12:25:32 AM
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Dear davidf,

I am rewatching Fisk's 1993 series 'From Beirut to Bosnia'.

“From Beirut to Bosnia is a three part documentary by Robert Fisk shown on the Discovery Channel focusing on Lebanon, Palestine, Egypt and Bosnia. It spans different nations and different peoples, but the problems and tragedies, the false hopes and betrayals, these are always the same. Muslims all over the world bear the brunt of Western foreign policy and local dictatorial rule. They pay the price of these policies and adventures with their land, freedom, property and lives. This mixture, of oppression, poverty and abuse has alienated millions of Muslims from their own governments as well as from some in the West. Today we witness a region on fire, plagued with instability. Robert Fisk analyses some of the root causes of the conflicts and tragedies we hear about daily.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDoyxzRlgE

What is notable is that when I viewed these in the mid 1990s the movement toward religiosity in the face of occupation, of brutal dictatorships and of deep poverty was not something I picked up on. Watching it again after all these years and now it seems that was the central theme.

One doesn't have to go to the Middle East to see this in action. Look at Muhammad Ali and Malcolm X with their deep involvement with the Nation of Islam. While all religions may well deliver a sense of community one gets the sense that there is something about Islam that is particularly attractive to the poor and oppressed.

I would be interested in your thoughts.

Dear runner,

As a young artist in Vienna Hitler had retreated from much of the prejudice toward Jews and was happily mixing freely with them. Even as young as 14 and 15 he had a real aversion bordering on abhorrence he says to disparaging remarks about Jews. It was the mayor of Vienna, Karl Lueger, a prominent Christian Socialist and virulent anti Semitic, who radicalised a teenage Hitler, and the rest is history.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Sunday, 22 November 2015 12:31:15 AM
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davidf,

You forgot to add that Pius XII was also credited with saving thousands of Jews.
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/piusdef.html

and that he was held in high esteem by many Jews
https://www.ewtn.com/library/issues/pius12gs.htm

Strange that you managed to miss all this positive Jewish information.
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/israel-s-vatican-envoy-praises-pope-pius-xii-for-saving-jews-during-the-holocaust-1.369479

One of my relatives, the late Mons.Hugh O'Flaherty had a bit to do with saving Jews as well as Allied Servicemen in Rome during WWII, he is sometimes called "The Scarlet Pimpernel of the Vatican".

Flip a coin, there are two sides to them.
Posted by Is Mise, Sunday, 22 November 2015 7:39:06 AM
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//just have a close look inside yourself and you will be a lot closer to some enlightment.//

Well how is that supposed to help, runner? You assert all the time that it's God that creates people. Now you've claimed that God only creates good things. Surely even you can comprehend this syllogism.

1. God created me.
2. God only creates good things.
Therefore: I am good.

So looking inside myself isn't going to help, because all I'm going to see is goodness. Presumably you think the conclusion to that syllogism is false, but since it's a valid syllogism that means that one or more of premises must be false. So which one are you prepared to abandon? That God is the maker of all things, or that It only creates good things? Or both?
Posted by Toni Lavis, Sunday, 22 November 2015 7:53:57 AM
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//If there is proof or evidence that a belief is correct or wrong it is no longer faith. It is based on reason or evidence. You cannot have it both ways. If a view is supported by evidence or reason there is no need for faith.//

From the Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy:

'Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mindbogglingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen it to see it as a final and clinching proof of the non-existence of God.

The argument goes something like this: "I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."

"But," says Man, "the Babel fish is a dead giveaway isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED."

"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.

"Oh, that was easy," says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets killed on the next zebra crossing.

Most leading theologians claim that this argument is a load of dingo's kidneys, but that didn't stop Oolon Colluphid making a small fortune when he used it as the central theme of his best-selling book Well That About Wraps It Up For God.'
Posted by Toni Lavis, Sunday, 22 November 2015 8:00:04 AM
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