I've just returned from a long overseas holiday. During my travels I met a lot of Europeans and I had the opportunity to ask what they thought of the current asylum seeker situation.

Although I live in Australia, being an American ex-pat, I speak with an American accent. I had no idea what the political views of the different people were so I was very careful to broach the subject causiously and politically sensitive as possible.

I can honestly say I did not meet one European or British citizen who is happy with Merkel. I didn't meet anyone who welcomed an open borders policy. I didn't meet anyone who felt an obligation to welcome more Muslims into their country. And to my surprise, without prompting, I had several people share with me something along the line of "Australia has the best solution, they send the boats back where they come from".

I'm not pretending my observations represent the opinion of all Europeans but I will go so far as to say that the idea Europe is disgusted by Australia's policy or that Australia is the laughing stock of the world is total nonsense. To the contrary of the myth the Left is trying to sell, Australia's border policy is held in high regard by the average person in Europe facing and living with the current Muslim invasion.

Its all propaganda.
Nobody wants their countries invaded by foreigners and the ones that have been overrun well and truly understand why open borders are a bad idea and lead to complete destruction of their nations cultural identity.

The mainstream media only follows the official narrative.

Multiculturalism is good.
Globalism is good.
Open borders are good.

Nationalism = Racism and is bad.

Its part of an agenda to destroy everyone's cultural identity and sovereignty and be ruled over by a global government.

Did you happen to ask any Muslim person in your little survey what they thought Conservativehippie?
Or were your questions directed at only 'white' or non-Middle East looking Europeans?
I very much doubt they all think like you and call it a 'Muslim invasion'.

Personally, I think ALL foreigners in Australia who were born overseas should be sent back to where they come from...just to be sure....

I partly agree with you, Suse, kick 'em out but only those who adhere to a political system that is diametrically opposed to our system and those, of course, who believe that they have a God given right to beat their wives.

Suse, your question is rhetorical, right? I clearly said my discussions were with Europeans, and yes they were white. Does being white somehow negate their opinion about what is happening in their own country?

If you can't see how a million unvited people arriving essentially by forcing themselves into Europe is not an invasion, you are pretending to sleep.

What would the point be of asking a Muslim what he/she thinks? Obviously like most third worlders they would prefer to reap the economic benefits on living in a better country. Do you think it would have been appropriate if I asked a Muslim person if it would be a fair expectation that they accept the western values, lifestyle and language if they want to live in a western country?

By your comments, and history, I'm certain you would consider such a question as racist. You are hopelessly blind to the reality.

By the way Suse, most of my time was in India and most of the people I met were young backpackers who would be inclined toward a left political leaning. Reading articles in the India Times that were coming out of Europe and watching RT (Russia Today) its apparent even those on the left in Europe have reservations.

Of course many people have reservations about the current refugee crisis in the world.
It is very unsettling that our previous lifestyles, ways of living may well be changing in a big way. There is nothing more sure than change.

It is too late to reverse what has and is happening in front of our eyes.
We can't practically 'send' anyone back to warring countries from Europe or Australia unless they are deported for criminal reasons etc.

So the only thing left to us is to try and deal with the crisis as best we can, and with as much sympathy for those innocents caught up in wars as we can.
For all the Western countries to declare war on all Muslims and/or predominantly Muslim countries won't help at all...that will just cause more unrest and even more refugees on the move.

//Its part of an agenda to destroy everyone's cultural identity and sovereignty and be ruled over by a global government.//

Why is that such a terrible thing, Armchair Critic? There's a couple of posters who share your conspiracy theories about New World Orders and Global Governments, and you always talk about it as if it is a very bad thing, but none of you explain why. What should we fear from a Global Government that we shouldn't fear from a National Government? It's just that in a lot science fiction which speculates on these matters, societies with Global Governments are generally presented as very utopian, because it is only by putting aside petty differences like colour, circumstances of birth and religion and working together in peace, harmony and universal brotherhood that the societies become sufficiently cohesive for Global Government to be feasible. What is it about people working together as a whole rather than being separated into various groups largely determined by geography that bothers you so much?

//If you can't see how a million unvited people arriving essentially by forcing themselves into Europe is not an invasion//

About 200 years ago a bunch of uninvited Europeans arrived by essentially forcing themselves into the land we now call Australia. Nobody asked them if they were willing to accept Southern values, lifestyle and languages if they wanted to live in a Southern country: they imported their values, lifestyle and language instead. Would you call that an invasion, CH? People moving from one country to another is not necessarily invasion; sometimes it is just immigration. Where would you be now if the pre-incarnation of Tony Abbott had been in charge of the Eora's immigration policy and turned back the First Fleet?

Toni,

That's a classic example of reductio ad absurdum.

Suse,

How many of our foreigners were born in Australia?

Well Is Mise, it seems to me that many posters on this forum do call Muslims foreigners if they live in Australia, even if they were born here of immigrant parents?

I was just saying that, to be fair, and to ensure we definitely don't have any anti-Aussies here in Australia, that we deport ALL foreigners. That's only fair isn't it?
Anyone who has dual citizenship, or has never obtained an Aussie passport should be the first to go, as they obviously don't value Australia enough.

Where did you say you were born Is Mise?
So you see, we should be careful what we wish for, because we never really know what will happen in the future...

Suseonline, "to ensure we definitely don't have any anti-Aussies here in Australia"

Is it recently acquired humility that causes you to hide your light under a bushel?

You have been giving Australia, Australians, Australian culture and traditions etc one hell of a shellacking on this forum for years. Or is that only your despised 'whites'(sic) and definitely, absolutely, 'white' men? Those 'whites' you obsess about are responsible for all that is bad and wrong in the world apparently and are all going to Hell in a handbasket, aren't they?

Toni, surely you cant be serious, comparing the first fleet to modern day refugee movements. For god sake, move on, its been over 200 years and i cant believe there are people still milking it for all its worth. In fact, i think those who call themselves the 'first Australians' should be thanking their lucky stars the likes of the Japanese or Indonesians didn't settle here first, as you can bet your bottom dollar one would have to resort to the likes of Google to find out what an Aboriginal was as chances are they would have wiped the entire lot out.

There are several ways of winning a war, and one way is with the economic strangulation of countries and their economies and, given most civilized economies are on tender hooks, this displacement of millions, in my view, is the start of WW3. In fact the events in Paris have shown how easily ones good will gesture can bring you unstuck.

It would appear the authorities were so overwhelmed with the mass influx of refugees that they missed the likes of the Syrian terrorists who rode the wave in. You can bet your bottom dollar this was all part of the plan, and that this was seen as a successful one at that by ISIS. So brace yourself.

Suse,

You said "....ALL foreigners in Australia who were born overseas...",
I thought that all foreigners were born overseas.

I'm Australian born, fifth generation, but I have dual citizenship.
I have Irish citizenship by right of descent.
My Irish passport allows me entry into Europe without having to go to the expense and inconvenience of visas.

We cannot deport all those who oppose our way of life but we don't have to bring more in.

I take it then, from your silence, that you condone wife beating if it is sanctioned by Islam?

Dear Toni,

<<What should we fear from a Global Government that we shouldn't fear from a National Government?>>

It would be even harder to overthrow!

Today, if worse comes to worst, one has a chance to escape a regime by migrating to another country. Of course it should not be necessary, but that's how it is today, whereas if there was a global government, then even that avenue would be closed. In effect all you would be doing is to create a bigger nation, where in fact, the smaller the better.

<<About 200 years ago a bunch of uninvited Europeans...>>

There is a fine line between migration and invasion. It depends whether or not you force yourself over the existing local population. Now which was the case 200 years ago?

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Dear Suse,

I see that you would like to kick me out if you could.
Fortunately for me, you can't.

Tony, yes I would call the British conquest of Australia an invasion and yes, they did so without intending to accept and live by the values and language of the people they invaded. Unfortunately for the original Australians, the invaders brought a new religion and demanded they follow the ways of the invaders or suffer the consequences.

I believe that the Europeans and those of us opposed to a Muslim invasion are trying to avoid the above, especially when it will include a serious threat to our lifestyle and freedoms.

So, what is your point Tony? Are you and Suse suggesting that once Europe and Australia are converted to Islam, the world will be a better place?

Well it'll be a better place for wife beaters anyway, as Suse apparently wants.
It'll be a better place for all those who want segregated swimming and a boon to garment manufacturers as the tent becomes de rigueur for women.

There will be no return to the neck to knee swimsuits though, it'll be swim in your tent or not at all.

Hi Toni,
Thanks for your valid question about why global government is bad.

(And if Is Mise doesnt think its real and that your question is validating my tin foil hat theories then maybe he should aquaint himslf with some of the 72,900 search responses for the term 'global government' I found here so he can get up to speed on this.)

http://www.infowars.com/search-page/?global%20government

As you know I do have a little bit of 'conspiracy theory' and 'alternative media' website and talk show listener background and maybe this has had an effect on the way I see things in the world, but I try not by buy into any of the real crazy illogical stuff..

One of the first things you come across is the Georgia Guidestones.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

This is kind of interesting because you get a mindset for the type of world 'they' want.

I wouldn't be so opposed to World Government if the ideas surrounding it we're decided by ALL the people, but I fear it will be a dictatorial world government that seeks to have total control over us like shown in George Orwell's 1984.

I know we have our disagreements on Israel, and a big part of my criticisms is that Zionists are likely tied up in this big mess, that I oppose.

I just want freedom and liberty for ALL people, and that includes you.
Maybe I'm stupid and naive for thinking this way.
But I'd rather support something good and err on the side of caution with all these technological and social changes the world is dealing with than ignorantly be taken for a ride to a place that enslaves us all.

"What is it about people working together as a whole rather than being separated into various groups largely determined by geography that bothers you so much?"

I'm not bothered by people working together as a whole.
I'm not against progress in the world, or of the people of the world finding better ways to work together, live together and respect each other.

What I am against is the idea than in order to create a New World Order that they have to destroy the old one, - destroy our curltual identities and destroy nationalism, and push immigration and multiculturalism.

If I go visit France, I want to see French people (and their culture)
If I go to England I want to see English people (and their culture)
Etc, etc, -
And if people come to visit Australia, that they are met with Australians and Australian culture.

I wouldn't go as far as saying I'm racist or intolerant of others, but is it really wrong to think this way?

Toni displays hatred towards those who have given him/her such a luxurous lifestyle. Maybe he should go to the outback communities and open his eyes instead of blathering such rot.

If you go to an Arabic country you are expected to respect their culture and most Westerners would go out of their way to make sure they do. Is it too much to ask that Muslims (as well as all other immigrants) respect our culture if they want to visit or stay here?

Why is it some on OLO feel the expectation that migrants be willing to adopt our values and customs is racist or culturally insensitive, yet have no issue with the Islamic countries applying exactly the same standards?

As I said to a couple of Muslim friends on Sunday, "have a good Christmas, if I don't see you before" and their reply to me "You too".

The problem is that people like to see that a situation is under control.

Merkel has simply surrendered control of Germany's borders to anyone and everyone, with the result that her previously iron clad popularity is plummeting in much the same way that Labor's plummeted after Rudd and Gillard's bungling.

Paul1405,
My daughter had a Shia Muslim friend from a Syrian family when she was in primary school who used to give out christmas cards every year like all the other kids. They are a lovely family, I had to ask the older brothers to stop calling me "sir" when I'd go round to their house LOL.
Nevertheless, the conduct of individual Muslims doesn't negate the conduct of the group as a whole, nor does the conduct of Muslims as a whole negate the conduct of individuals.
If the former is true so must the latter be but your side only ever expresses it as "Not all Muslims".

Suseonline,
-European and Anglosphere intervention in Muslim societies has been a disaster and should immediately stop along with all foreign aid to those countries.

-Sponsored Immigration of vulnerable (ie illiterate, incompetent and criminally inclined)Muslims to non Muslim societies has been a disaster and needs to stop immediately, only migrants who can pay their way and who have skills should be allowed freedom of movement.

Removing the troops, the bases and the aid from the mid east and central Asia will be a disaster as the Saudis and Iranians go to war, it will probably plunge much of the West into recession but the short term pain would be worth the long term gain and we can mitigate the inevitable energy crisis with technology and forward planning.

Plastic Christmas trees can be bought in Dubai grocery stores. Unfortunately that would probably be seen as blasphemy by ISIS.

In India state of Kerala Christians, Hindus and Muslims live and work side-by-side without adversity. Yet inside their house, if invited to dinner, you will hear what they think of each other's religion. But there religious differences do not stop them from getting along or from functioning as a cooperative society.

If the Arab Muslims could accept and promote secular freedom within their own countries, and more importantly accept that is the way of the West, perhaps the funding for the Muslim extremists would dry up. But regretfully that's not going to happen soon enough to change ISIS's plans.

Having returned from travelling Europe,Tony Abbott is every Europeans
hero.
As soon as people realise you are Australia they say they love Abbott.From France England Italy and Germany all agreed that Abbott was wonderful.
Twenty years ago Europeans would verbally attack you for our treatment of Aboriginals.
I was at Munich Rail Station when the fanatical Muslims who were kicked out of Syria told me their stories in September.
Quote "The Jews kicked my family out of Palestine,now Assad has bombed my home he hates Muslims.

Armchair Critic,

"....Thanks for your valid question about why global government is bad.

(And if Is Mise doesnt think its real and that your question ...."

Pray tell me, what are you on about?

Conservativehippie,
Yeah but in Maharashtra,Bihar and Gujarat multiculturalism and civic nationalism has largely broken down along religious lines, Kerala is the exception rather than the rule. Bear in mind we're talking about huge numbers of people here,Kerala only has 34 million people with 25% Muslims, Maharashtra has 113 million citizens with about 11% Muslims.
When you're talking about Islam percentages matter, I don't know a lot about Kerala but with such a large Muslim population it's likely that the Hindus and Christians have submitted to the demands of Muslims to keep the peace, that's the way Islam usually operates.
The difference between India and the West is that there's no political correctness so they have open and frank discussions of religious differences and issues and attempts are made to deal with problems before they spiral out of control.
In India the courts deal with Muslim demands and complaints and make rulings on religious practice, what is constitutional, what is not and so forth, the Islamist activists often lose cases too.
So in many countries with large Muslim populations the state and the courts will intervene and pass judgement on religious matters, whereas in Western countries they generally don't.
I'd recommend following the major Indian news services on Facebook, their coverage of social matters is very interesting

No, Jay of Melbourne, I don't fancy having a court system like India at all!
I am mostly happy with our Australian system.
I don't want religion involved in our court system in any way, including the rubbish of swearing on a bible. We all know that lies are still told, no matter what book you have a hand on, or whether you believe in imaginary gods or not.

I don't care how Europeans view our immigration policy.
It is none of their business unless they are planning to emigrate here themselves.
I would suggest most Europeans are jealous of our successful multicultural society that is so good that everyone wants to emigrate here.
It beats me why many on this forum whine about it all so much.

Suse,

"I would suggest most Europeans are jealous of our successful multicultural society that is so good that everyone wants to emigrate here"

Maybe they see our society as more desirable because we have less Muslims than they do.

Is Mise, you never give up do you?
I think my husband understands how innocent Muslims feel, as he remembers being called an IRA terrorist because he was an Irish Catholic living in England in the 1980's.

He has never struck anyone in anger in his whole life.
So our house feels upset for those poor sods who are being blamed by association, especially those Muslim families living in Paris and just minding their own business.

Hey Is Mise...

What am I on about?
I was responding to your 'reductio ad absurdum' response to Toni's comment which I may have wrongly interpreted as being a response to my comment..

Never mind.. Lol.

Suse,

"I would suggest most Europeans are jealous of our successful multicultural society that is so good that everyone wants to emigrate here"

You never give up do you?

Armchair Critic,

Fair enough!!

//One of the first things you come across is the Georgia Guidestones.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

This is kind of interesting because you get a mindset for the type of world 'they' want.//

LOL. Some wackjob builds a wacky monument in the U.S. and you take it as proof of shadowy conspirators trying to destroy our sap our precious bodily fluids.

The U.S. is full of these things, dude. They're like the American version of our Big Things - usually Americans go for weird and/or tacky in preference to Big, although the Biggest Ball of Twine in Minnesota is an exception to that rule: it's big, weird and tacky. I love it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKeHQpT5wVE
http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/2128

My favourite is 'Carhenge':

http://www.sandhillsjourney.com/uploaded/Alliance/Carhenge%20Pic%201.jpg

Maybe the New World Order just want us to drive our cars a lot?

//but I fear it will be a dictatorial world government that seeks to have total control over us like shown in George Orwell's 1984.//

There are three governments in 1984: Oceania, Eurasia and Eastasia. This is necessary for the doctrine of perpetual war. You have read the book, haven't you?

//and a big part of my criticisms is that Zionists are likely tied up in this big mess, that I oppose.//

Ah yes, I forgot... it's all the work of those wicked Jews. Poisoning wells stopped being an effective strategy when increased urbanisation led to a decrease in well usage, so now they have to set up the New World Order instead. Anti-Semitism... who said it's unfashionable?

//If I go visit France, I want to see French people (and their culture)
If I go to England I want to see English people (and their culture)
Etc, etc, -
And if people come to visit Australia, that they are met with Australians and Australian culture.

I wouldn't go as far as saying I'm racist or intolerant of others, but is it really wrong to think this way?//

No. But why would I fly all the way to China when I can catch a train to Chinatown? It's not quite the same thing I know, but the beauty of multiculturalism is that you can enjoy the fruits of other cultures without having to fly anywhere (I hate long flights). What's so bad about that?

I agree with a lot of what is being said here on several different arguments, although I do feel we need a great deal more integration among the Muslims who come here and their acceptance of our culture. What disappoints me is the fact that they do not appear to be particularly vocal enough over the activities and the atrocities perpetrated under the name of their religion. I looked hard at the scenes being displayed in Paris after the slaughter and I could not see one headscarf in the population displaying their grief. Perhaps the majority of Muslims should be a little more vocal collectively in condemning the activities and philosophies that hide under the same name if they want more of our respect

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/fran_kellys_see_no_evil_claim_no_refugees_here_have_turned_to_terrorism

"The denialism in the media, especially the ABC, is astonishing. Today ABC Radio National host Fran Kelly defended the taking in of 12,000 refugees from Syria and Iraq: I don’t know of links of people who have come in as refugees and then committed terrorist offences.

In fact:
Farhad Jabour, an Iranian “refugee”, killed police accountant Curtis Cheng while shouting “Allah is the greatest”.
Man Monis, an Iranian “refugee” and Islamist, staged the deadly Lindt cafe siege while professing support for the Islamic State..
Numan Haider, an Afghan “refugee” and IS recruit, stabbed two police in Melbourne.
Mohammad Ali Baryalei, an Afghan “refugee”, became a recruiter and fighter for IS.
Saney Edow Aweys, a Somalian “refugee”, plotted to attack the Holsworthy Army base.

So all three of the terrorist attacks on Australian soil in the past 14 months have been conducted by refugees. One of the most serious terror plots yet intercepted involved a refugee. And one of the key Islamic State recruiters here was a refugee."

Sues online.

There is only one force here that Has the power
To put all the other foreigners on boats and send them away.

They control the army, and because of that the country is still theirs.

it is a fact that this country like every country in the world is owned by those who
Have the loyalty of the army.

If the army was inclined to they could shut down the government and the law courts tomorrow.

This is still a European country. The day the army is no longer European, but African,
Aboriginal, or Chinese then it will be their ethnic group that owns Australia.

Shadow Minister.

I agree, we are at war with these people, or they seek to wage
War on us when they get here.

It is madness to keep bringing them in.

It would be like allowing thousands of Germans in during world war 2

Personally, I resent the politicians and appeasers, letting in
People who could harm my children and family.

Why should they put those people ahead of their own people.
The politicians have sold their Australian heritage and people out for
A few 100,000 Muslim votes.