Loudmouth,

Huh?

I'm perfectly aware that the logic doesn't follow either for cats/dogs or for war. That's the point.

I don't understand why you don't understand so I can't help you.

Still its good to see that you've got the jargon down pat..." Law of the Excluded Middle". Wikipedia can be very useful at times, n'est pas?

Genius Bogan.
Yeah that "logic" is normally espoused by people who have little to no contact with Muslims or other minorities, we "racists" take Muslims seriously, we don't infantilise or idealise them and we see them as agents rather than helpless objects.
The "do gooders" want to speak FOR Muslims, we want to speak TO them, we want to negotiate a way out of this mess so we have no use for political correctness and if those negotiations require an end to liberalism, globalism and cosmopolitan values as the norm then that's the price which has to be paid.
The problems in Muslim lands need to be solved by Muslims and the diaspora in our countries need to make a choice, emigrate and fight to free your faith of corruption or stay home,stay neutral and stay silent.

FellowBogan,

I put this up earlier on another thread:

"In the light of the atrocities in the Sinai, Beirut and now Paris, we must support our fellow-Australian Muslims to root out the scum within their midst who may be supporting these sorts of low-life mongrels, or planning to copy-cat their activities.

"Not all Muslims wholeheartedly support terrorism: we all have to believe that. So in their efforts to expose and cast out anybody within their midst who supports such vile acts, the Muslim population of Australia needs the support of the non-Muslim community wherever possible.

"IF, IF these vile, gutless actions have indeed been carried out by Islamists, and IF, IF there are Muslims in Australia who support these murders of innocent people, then the Muslim population has an extra obligation to identify and expel such criminals, and for that reason, they need our support. IF, IF the Koran can be used to justify such criminal acts, then the Muslim population may need our sympathy as they disavow such interpretations."

A bit intemperate, you'd agree, but the gist of it is that, in the interests of inclusive multiculturalism and the aspiration that all Australians should make up one, inclusive, community, we all have a positive and supportive role to play. BUT, within that community, Muslim Australians have a special responsibility to root out fascism and terrorism within their sub-community.

After all, imagine some crackpot group of Australians in New Zealand, determined, no matter how, to terrorise and conquer New Zealand and bring it into a 'Greater Australia'. Wouldn't other Australians in New Zealand have a special responsibility to identify, expose and expel such expatriates in their midst, in order to protect New Zealand's inclusive-multicultural society ? And to persuade any of their compatriots who are thinking that way not to get involved with any forms of terrorism ?

Joe

Rather than wondering why these attacks happened I'm wondering why we didn't see it coming.

I knew SOMETHING was going to happen when Russia went into Syria and blocked western plans to remove Assad.

France was ripe for it.
They had intervened and commenced bombing in Syria against Islamic State. (We're also in this position)
So they were a potential target for an attack that could said to be a 'reprisal' for intervening in Syria.

The result of this attack will be increased support for action by EU member states as well as support for western intervention on the ground in Syria against IS.

Maybe even UN resolutions and NATO forces.

Syria is just the stepping stone in the greater plan to take out Iran so of course the US was never going to allow Assad to stay and they needed leverage against the Russian intervention which had stymied their plans.

The US has a split personality like Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde.
It has one official position and operations what it tells the public and the world, and then it has its covert CIA run operations which probably support and help the Jihadi's against Assad.

If an attack happened here it would force our government to commit more to the war in Syria and therefore help bolster the US position in Syria
(we wouldn't put our tail between our legs and run away, it would demand a increased response)
- So, sadly we're ripe for it too.

I’m surprised by the level of justification being offered by the apologists for ISIS. That Suze has to dig to the depths of the brutality of Hitler and Stalin nearly 4 generations ago is no justification for the level of Islamic medieval barbarity on display today, but rather a measure of the revulsion that should be reserved for these savages.

What is also not in doubt is:
That this barbarism in Paris is the result of Islamic fundamentalists
That this savagery is targeted specifically at civilians that are not Muslim (or in Lebanon not Sunni),
That some of these thugs entered the EU as “refugees”, and the rest are home grown,
That Islamic leaders take no responsibility whatsoever.

Already, Angela Merkel’s open door policy is beginning to crumble as Poland is now refusing to take the 160 000 refugee quota it had been given, and other countries are likely to follow suit. I guess that the boat turn back policy is looking a much better option now.

Cherful is right when he says that it is all about territory.
The Koran calls on moslems to spread Islam over the whole world.
Nothing very remarkable about that, I think all religions have that aim.

What is different is that the Koran calls for the spread of Islam to
be done by the sword if the infidels will not submit to Islam.
That program started in Mohammad's lifetime in the attacks on nearby
towns in Arabia.
It then spread to all of Mesopotamia including Judea.
As the Jews were not in Judea in numbers, the Romans having driven
them out in the first century.

There is another part of the Koran that states that an area occupied
by moslems always remains moslem land. This is at the root of the
claim by Arabs in Palestine that the Israelis are occupiers.
In fact it is the Arabs who are the occupiers.
The Crusades were an attempt to restore Christianity and the Jews
to Jerusalem.

Likewise the Arabs now claim that Paris is moslem land because moslems live there.

I just wonder how long before Lakemba and Bankstown receives a demand for Sharia Law.
Now looking at what is happening in France with so many no go areas
in Paris & France generally can you see where they are going ?

We have a choice, we can submit to Islam or we face continuing attacks
by terrorists. The choice really is that stark.
This generation might hammer them down but like other generations
before us, it will emerge again.
Just like the Austrians and the Poles defeated the moslems at the
gates of Vienna, we may have to fight them at the gates of Paris.

As there is no possibility of an accommodation or the defeat of Islam
short of the Koran being rewritten, then the long time solution must
be the total isolation of the Middle East and the deportation of all Moslems to the Middle East.
If that is unacceptable, then nuclear war is the last option.