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Posted by EmperorJulian, Saturday, 31 October 2015 1:45:54 PM
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I well remember when Michael Diamond had a DVO taken out against him for violence; Australia seemed destined to miss out on a sure Gold Medal in the trapshooting, happily the matter was quickly resolved and Australia kept up its medal tally.
Posted by Is Mise, Saturday, 31 October 2015 1:50:08 PM
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"To make room for them, gaols are emptied of all people imprisoned for non-violent infringements, who should never be subjected to the violence of forcible incarceration.
Compre, Poirot?" Oh, so your grand plan is to empty the jails? Who's going to be the arbiter of who stays and who is released? It all sounds quite simple when you put it like that - I take it you're ahead on the calculations on the kind of jail space you'd need to implement your plan being that the "bashers" are obviously in for far longer than those banged-up for infringements? Talking of murdering the English language - what's a "femmo"? Posted by Poirot, Saturday, 31 October 2015 3:10:05 PM
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“Who's going to be the arbiter of who stays and who is released?”
Society, through legislation. Let me tell you a story about grossly unjust imprisonment. Some years ago in WA a scumbag stomped a slightly built taxi driver to death in a gutter. The reason he gave: “I don’t like Chinks”. His sentence was only a couple of years, but in the event he was released after 10 months and given a new name. Outrage in the community was massive. Around the same time a woman committed a non-violent offence, swindling investors in her businesses. Seventeen years! From what I’ve observed of people as an ordinary bloke, probably no more than Poirot will have observed, there is something most Australians would find objectionable about this sort of disparity in treatment of a violent and non-violent offender. Have you ever wondered why there is such a disproportionate imprisonment rate for Aboriginal offenders? I suggest it is related to many repeated non-violent offences that have swept young Aborigines into the penal system. Get them out! Gaol is the proper place for violent criminals only. I suggest that instead of witch hunts into political opponents like Rudd, Gillard and Shorten, an Australian government should be mounting an exhaustive Royal Commission into the criminal justice system so that only violent offenders get imprisoned and suitable non-custodial sanctions are applied for non-violent offences. This would take care of the initial (and probably final) wave of DV offenders. Even the first wave would have shrunk considerably if the anti-DV laws were well publicised in advance. Femmos? Australian slang (cf journos, ambos, Commos) for feminists – people who artificially strip issues down to a brand of identity politics [1] based on the female gender. [1] http://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/2015/02/identity-politics-has-created-an-army-of-vicious-narcissists/ Posted by EmperorJulian, Saturday, 31 October 2015 6:40:10 PM
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I can't say I disagree with anything in your last post, Emperor Julian.
Australians have been finding that kind of unfair sentencing lamentable for years. I suppose my posts were my way of saying - "Good Luck with that, because you'll need it". Posted by Poirot, Saturday, 31 October 2015 7:37:53 PM
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No Emperor Julian, I remain confused re your ideas outlined above.
What level of violence should lead to B being jailed for what number of years, so V is free of him/her coming back for more? I would suggest that if B is jailed for several years he/she may well still be upset with V, and get out of jail and bash them anyway? So what to do? Obviously all people who commit serious assault on others should be jailed. However, rather than expensively filling jails with all domestic violence offenders of all classes, surely there must another way? Posted by Suseonline, Saturday, 31 October 2015 7:43:53 PM
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V (the victim) is assaulted by B (the basher).
Someone calls the police.
Police take statements, record evidence such as visible injuries.
If the complaint stacks up, police charge B with a suitable category of assault.
Charge is handled by a DPP, who pursues it in court.
If B is not convicted s/he walks
If B is convicted s/he is soon returned to take it out on V.
Meanwhile patriarchs and femmos boringly debate statistics based on murder of the English language (rebadging all sorts of non-violent behaviour as “domestic violence”) behaviour) to feed claims about which gender stereotype is responsible for the most “violence”. “Findings” are triumphantly published by the “sides”. Nobody but the gender warriors reads them.
[All this happens already]
Now here’s what doesn’t happen but should...
If B is convicted s/he cops a sentence at or above a legislated minimum incarceration adequate to free V of his/her access to her/him for many years.
To make room for them, gaols are emptied of all people imprisoned for non-violent infringements, who should never be subjected to the violence of forcible incarceration.
Compre, Poirot?