Roscop,

"I'm baffled as to whether you've applied poor logic or female logic?"

ROFL!

Look, matey....it's obvious that you don't bother to disguise your misogyny...so your stuff just makes me laugh.

Perhaps RObert's figures should have included a section where victims were requested to provide evidence that their beatings were more than "very soft" - and you could be the adjudicator!

After all, we glean (from the likes of you) that "very soft beatings" should never be permitted to be classified as DV.

I await your next hilarious/sexist comment.

Is Mise, "It seems to me that DV is a mental health issue and treating it as such would cost big bucks so the Government is happy to plod along with 'bandaid' solutions and keep the costs down even if it means that more people suffer"

If we are talking about deaths, and the educated middle class women whose careers come from riding the feminist bandwagon are spinning all female murders as directly attributable to 'men' (the flawed 'Patriarchy' paradigm) which is a lie, the truth is that Australia should be proud to have a murder rate and 'domestic' murder rate that are infinitesimally small compared with other countries and trending ever downwards since the early Nineties (before John Howard's 'gun grab' $1.5billion fraud).

Even one murder is horrendous. However, murder will never be eradicated entirely. The only real deterrents have to do with culture and tradition (our inherited traditions and culture that oddly the self-loathing leftists despise) and importantly, the knowledge of potential offenders that they WILL be caught and convicted (where Australian policing does well despite poor public support in some quarters, the Greens and leftists especially).

The dangers for Australia where serious violence and 'DV' are concerned are:

- firstly, that indiscriminate 'diversity' in immigration continually supplies more and more migrants who import toxic toxic political systems, traditions and culture (remember Rotherham, UK); and,

- secondly, the scourge of binge drinking and recreational drugs. Both are implicated for youth offenders and victims. Youth and violence and 'DV' are linked and relatively young adults are a large rump of 'DV' offenders and victims, including resulting in death.

It is interesting that the Palaszczuk Labor government had as its first priority to 'deep six' the successful Vicious Lawless Association Disestablishment Act 2013. Also that the Palaszczuk Labor government is now being accused of not really wanting to fulfill its promise to control early am drinking that is implicated in violence and 'DV' of course.

It is Money and Power - ruthless, cynical politics, including nasties like donations+lobbyists, political pragmatism and the quest to win marginal seats that affect policy.

From Poirot in answer to Roscop:

"After all, we glean (from the likes of you) that "very soft beatings" should never be permitted to be classified as DV."

Right, Poirot, calling a physical assault of any severity level domestic violence is simplistic. These are the things that SHOULD be classed as DV:

# Nagging.
# Abuse.
# Receiving a favourable Family Court result.
# Obaining a restraining order.
# Wilful disobedience.
# Anything else that can deflect from focusing on actual violence (y'know, the simplistic stuff -- assault, bashing and killing and that).

I really mean this. Dinkum. I'm not being sarcastic and letting my "side" down in the diversionary gender wars.

Suseonline asks: "Have you got any other ideas how really vulnerable women can be kept safe from really violent criminal men?"

Ever thought of locking the scumbags up? Or does that divert from the really important things like arguing gender culpability stastistics and saving costly prison space for druggies and swindlers?

Oh drat. Am I being simplistic again? Protecting victims and stuff?

EmperorJulian,

As you probably know, at a sub-national level it is the Northern Territory - the claimed gem of multiculturalism where endless diversity is 'embraced' - with its high violence and crime rates that stands out as the enduring blemish on Australia's enviable record of having some of the lowest murder and 'DV' rates worldwide.

If the map of violence and 'DV' were magnified further, there would be the higher violence, higher 'DV' streets and 'burbs in town and cities that the police know and visit often, that would pop up.

Now I happen to agree with you that those who engage in serious threats and violence should be locked up. The police want to do that. However in the case of the most common and repeat offenders in the NT (taking that example) every rationalisation, every excuse possible, is put up and the offenders are out in a trice to molest, rape and beat again. Apparently is our 'Whitey' fault that some 'Indigenous'* 'warrior' has busted a bottle over a woman's head. Or equally likely, used the modern Nulla Nulla, a length of steel star picket.

*sic, the proud, respectable, law-abiding Aborigines despise that word and the Progressives' infantilising paternalism and false victimhood that go with it.

To be very blunt, it is Cultural Marxism and the political correctness of extreme 'multiculturalism' that protect so many offenders and in doing so ensure more victims and no change, no counselling and no timely interventions that might save children and youth from following the same path.

EmporerJulian, of course they should be locked up, but when?
If a woman tells police or courts she is frightened for her life, but they have no proof, and tell her to take out an AVO, then he kills her anyway, what was the point of the AVO?
Some of the guys on this forum echo the feelings of some blokes in the wider community...that is that she must have asked for it, or done something/said something to make him bash/kill her, so what does she expect?

On the each is now trying to derail the whole DV issue by blaming multiculturalism.
Indigenous women are indeed the most vulnerable in the country re DV, However, they still make up only a small number of those women killed by their intimate partners.

Onthebeach states the NT is dragging the DV statistics up, but it doesn't show this on the 2014 violence statistics put out by the ABS on 23/9/15:

"Females Majority of Family And Domestic Violence-Related2 Assault Victims (Experimental Statistics)

For victims of family and domestic violence-related2 assault4, there were:

Four times as many female victims (4,534) as male victims (1,157) in South Australia;
Four times as many female victims (3,482) as male victims (807) in the Northern Territory;
Three times as many female victims (10,648) as male victims (3,860) in Western Australia;
Three times as many female victims (465) as male victims (145) in Australian Capital Territory; and
Twice as many female victims (19,488) as male victims (9,261) in New South Wales. "