WmTrevor,
"Probably a meaningless question in an age when we have the smartphone equivalent of kids gossiping behind the shelter sheds... except they can do it in real-time, high definition colour and with people and sites anywhere reached by the interwebiverse."

A few years back I may have said exactly the same response as you have.

But this is what "they" (the people who provide funding for these agendas) want you to think.
They want you to think "Why bother?", so that they can influence your child and not you.

Kids Help Line may be privately funded, but what are the agendas of the entities who provide funding for it?
Its like politics, "we'll donate X amount to your organisation if you provide support for our agenda".

And what if the agenda of these other people is not education, but indoctrination?
They are pushing so much political correctness it scrambles kids minds and they cant think for themselves and are easily influenced.

Have you not heard they have banned the words 'boy' and 'girl' and the new politically correct terminology is 'purple penguins'?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2787443/Politically-correct-Nebraska-school-district-gets-gender-inclusive-tells-teachers-purple-penguins-preferable-phrase-girls-boys-referring-students.html

This stuff isn't just ridiculous, its an agenda.
They are trying to destroy the traditional family unit and make everyone dependent on the state.
Order Out Of Chaos - Doctrine of the New World Order

I know that kids can get any measure of porn and info from the web these days easily on their own.
The point is if another adult is going to influence the decisions of your child without your consent.

- If you are foolish enough to allow that to happen, more fool you.

That is why it was a most important question rather than an irrelevant one.

Suseonline,
I didn't say kidshelpline.com.au stated they would sit down with your child and discuss gender reassignment surgery without parental consent, you misunderstood me.

I inferred that was the direction this ideology was heading here in Australia based on what is happening in other countries.

Bazz you chose to use a statement which in pretty much any reading claims that sexual activity that cannot lead to procreation is not normal - unless it's actually just about the same sex part and the other is a dishonest excuse tacked on to try and pretend it's about something other than your prejudices. You would not do that would you?

"The whole context is that same sex attitudes and activity are normal.

It is not! The simple proof is that such activity cannot result in
procreation"

As I've already mentioned human sexual activity covers a much wider role than just procreation. Using my earlier example (if the thought of oral sex is a bit much for you) heterosexual people past childbearing age generally still engage in sexual activity for the physical pleasure and for the intimacy it brings (and maybe some other reasons - memory on this is fuzzy but I think ejaculation may have a link to reduced rates of testicular cancer).

The lack of the possibility of procreation does not make it unnatural. The thought of it may be distasteful to some but as long as no one is forcing them to take part it's not their problem.

It is certainly a problem if the squimish are able to get enough social taboos placed around things that they don't personally like (or in the case of some religious fundies that they crave but which are forbidden by their faith) to make difficult something thats between consenting adult humans (that was added for the religious fundies who seem to often be fixated on sex involving 9 years and or family pets) and a core part of their makeup.

R0bert

//Kids Help Line may be privately funded, but what are the agendas of the entities who provide funding for it?//

Did you miss my link that showed the breakdown of BoysTown's funding, Armchair Critic? Here it is again:

http://www.boystown.com.au/about/funded.php

And for those who don't believe in following links:

69% of their funding comes from their Art Unions (a fancy name for a fancy raffle. I think it is safe to assume that the agenda of the people who provide this portion of the funding - i.e. the people who buy their raffle tickets - is to win a nice house).
15% comes from fees for the various services they provide
12% comes from the Government. It is safe to assume these guys do have an agenda, but I'm not sure that it has anything to do with wacky conspiracy theories.
3% comes from corporate & philanthropic income. These guys might have various agendas. Or they might just think that BoysTown are a worthwhile charity.
1% comes from interest & other income.

//Have you not heard they have banned the words 'boy' and 'girl' and the new politically correct terminology is 'purple penguins'?//

"Purple penguins" was given as an example of a classroom name. At my second primary school the infants classes were named (after native Australian flora) rather than numbered - I didn't start there until year 2, so I was a Grevillea for that year. Maybe things would have been different if I'd been a Pansy. When I was in my junior years of high school the classes in my year were named after the seven colours of the rainbow: I started in 7 Red and stayed there until the end of year 10. I can't say that it did me any harm being red or a grevillea, and it certainly didn't cause me any gender confusion when teachers referred to us as 'Reds' rather than 'boys and girls'. It may, however, have made me more open to the concept of socialism (a joke)

If the Nebraskans want to call their (presumably primary school) classes 'purple penguins', 'green gorillas' or 'yellow yaks' I fail to see how that could be regarded by any remotely sane person as some sort of sinister plot to indoctrinate children. Were you high when you wrote that post?

//This stuff isn't just ridiculous, its an agenda.
They are trying to destroy the traditional family unit and make everyone dependent on the state.
Order Out Of Chaos - Doctrine of the New World Order//

Oh for heaven's sake...

Now who's being ridiculous, Armchair Cretin? Kids Helpline are a free telephone counselling service which assist kids who are dealing with a vast array of issues such as mental health, bullying, drugs, body image, etc. Do you really think that kids who ring up in search of counselling don't deserve to be given frank, honest information and support? Even when the issues they seek counselling about concern sexuality? Would it best just to let google give them the answers, instead of a trained counsellor?

Kids Helpline are not the footsoldiers of the Freemasons, hell-bent on tearing down the social order and sapping our precious bodily fluids. You are tilting at windmills. Again. Get off the drugs, dude.

I'm the biggest fanboi in the entire universe for the use of hyperbole, Armchair Critic... especially at funerals. But don't say "Have you not heard they have banned the words 'boy' and 'girl'..." and then link to a source that shows that they didn't.

It distracts from any valid argument you thought you were making.

Speaking only for myself, despite still receiving the BoysTown Art Union brochures though not having bought tickets for 15 years, my agenda in contributing to their funds was the hope of winning a 1-2 million dollar home or apartment in Melbourne, Sydney or the Sunshine Coast in Queensland.

"Kids Helpline are not the footsoldiers of the Freemasons, hell-bent on tearing down the social order and sapping our precious bodily fluids."

Agreed, Toni, not even "to sap and impurify"...

So I have looked to the motives of the Christian Brothers of the Lasallian tradition who lead the management and operation of BoysTown and Kids Helpline and found: Saint John Baptist de La Salle's "five core principles [are], in no particular order or priority: Concern for the Poor and Social Justice; Faith in the Presence of God; Quality Education; Respect for all Persons; Inclusive Community." Also, "a Lasallian is committed to the respect and reverence of others as valuable and important in the eyes of God. This leads to a view that the education of the individual is something supremely valuable and worthwhile for its own sake, not just for the convenience of society."

The atheist part of me thinks the God reference unnecessary, but I forgive them that.

"The point is if another adult is going to influence the decisions of your child without your consent."

This includes Advertising Agency Creative Directors and they've been influencing decisions without your consent, like forever!

"They are pushing so much political correctness it scrambles kids minds and they cant think for themselves and are easily influenced."

That is only true until kids realize their parents lied about Santa and after that point young people are increasingly skeptical - at least they are if you've been a good example as a parent (except for the lying bit).

If they even suspect you are untruthful about the "loving them unconditionally no matter what and that there is nothing you can't talk to me about" part of parenting, then you have created a problem. However, unintentionally.