Indeed R0bert I have paid a great deal of attention to what other people have been saying. Maybe some others on this tiny ping-pong thread could profit by doing likewise. For example attention to the experience and wishes of the huge number of people who commented at https://www.change.org/p/minister-of-prisons-premiers-prime-minister-make-parole-boards-responsible-for-letting-repeat-rapists-and-murders-out-into-society on the basis of their lived experience of violent assault. I referred to that on this thread, Did anyone else pay attention to it? Did you?

But I have also paid a lot of attention to an exhaustive account of domestic violence by my wife, whom I married after she had become free of a marriage marked by frequent real violence (e.g. causing a miscarriage by throwing her down the stairs while she was pregnant) and constant cringing fear. Did she ask for it? Was she so uppity as to drive the scumbag into bashing her? Well there has never been the slightest violence between the two of us in our 34 years of marriage and counting. Not even a hint of it. Didn’t have to grab my wrist like Dr Strangelove.

And yes I have paid a lot of attention to what has passed on this minuscule thread. Endless apologia for bashers. Frequent hiding behind conflation of abuse with assault, and hiding behind speculation about which gender abuses which gender (sometimes sliding off into ethnicities or mental illness), while ducking the question of who commits physical assault because he (or she if you want to hide behind gender competition) is at large.

Unlike his guttersnipe predecessor, Malcolm Turnbull chose to turn real attention to the domestic violence epidemic. He doesn’t have the answer but he’s broken a logjam by raising the question. I’d even vote for him if it weren’t for the company he keeps.

So if you have been paying attention then please explain the question? Looks like you may be playing some gender politics yourself.

If you were paying attention you would have been well aware that it was a number specifically about women which ignored males killed (including by intimate partners).

You would have been aware that one of the concerns that despite male deaths typically constituting 25% of intimate partner homicides they don't rate a mention from authorities supposedly concerned about DV.

You would have been aware that the original number quoted has been challenged aa not representing what it claims to represent, possibly including deaths not associated with intimate partner violence.

You would have been aware that in the context of the serious misinformation campaign that has been run for a long time there are good reasons to be concerned about tougher penalties in the face of a kangaroo court mentality of guilt being assigned by gender rather than evidence in the specific case.

You have not attempted to engage in any of those issues, instead sniping from the sidelines and seeming feigning disgust at those you call gender warriors while givibgbthw impression of being one yourself on this issue.

R0bert

EmperorJulian, "I’d even vote for him [Malcolm Turnbull] if it weren’t for the company he keeps"

That admission is a classic. Turnbull's 'progressive' populism and repeating the mantras doesn't translate into votes for the LNP.

The Left fear Tony Abbott, because he is one of the few leaders in the West who isn't cowed by political correctness. The Abbott model was also influencing leaders internationally. Make that is influencing leaders internationally, for example, his action on economic migrants.

Far be it from me to bat for either gender against the other. That’s the diversionary tactic of the basher lobby to defend bashers. However it seems I overlooked that the cited murder stats referred only to men murdering women. Why did my eyes glaze over with inattention in reading the debates about stats? It’s because I don’t give a tuppenny about how the genders line up in the DV stakes.

The basher lobby operate by the verbal sleight of hand of ducking backwards and forwards between violence and abuse. Yes abuse comes in male and female forms. Yes society needs a thorough examination and correction of the gender bias in accepted and non-accepted forms of abuse. Dr Elizabeth Celi (Google her) has done an amazing job in drawing attention to this, and to how traditional gender roles leave men especially vulnerable to abusive women, and how the (ab)use of children as weapons exacerbates this vulnerability.

But Mr Turnbull’s challenge is to violence, not marital abuse. Abuse shades into violence when it crosses the line into indictable offences from ABH and battery through to GBH, manslaughter and murder. That’s what can be stopped dead in its tracks by sweeping the bashers out of the homes and off the streets. When they're at large they bash.

Emperor, "...I have also paid a lot of attention to an exhaustive account of domestic violence by my wife...". Sounds like an uncorroborated statement to me or were you a fly on the wall at the time? But in your eyes enough evidence to give the ex a hefty gaol sentence...back to the lynch mob days.

Further I like your backward rationalization making the argument that because there has not been any violence between you and your mrs in 34 years, it therefore means that mrs's ex must have been violent and the mrs has been an angel since she took her first breath.

So at the risk of yet another sidetrack whats the difference between a basher who should be locked away and an abuser who just hits their partner? The paper I linked to was quite clear that initiation of physical violence between intimate partners is not just a male thing which seem to be implied from Emperors response.

Admitting that eyes glazed over when confronted with evidence for a case he does not want to hear just looks like someone with little interest in truth who wants their prejudices to run unchallenged.

There are very good reasons to challenge the dishonest claims of DV being highly gendered, both to help reduce overall levels of DV and to give all victims of violent (or just plain abusive) spouses meaningful access to support.

R0bert