Thanks for that link RObert, and I do actually agree that of course there are male victims of domestic violence - especially young teens, older men and gay men.

I went to an Elder Abuse conference a few months ago, and it is truly frightening what some adult children will do to their aged parents, including physical violence if they don't hand over their money to the kids!

Young men are often knocked about and/or constantly put down by one or both parents, then we wonder why they head off into adult relationships of their own and resort to all forms of abuse.

However, I also agree with OTB, in that by the time people are adults they can no longer keep using a bad childhood etc as a defense for violent acts against others.
While we may have some pity about someone who has been abused for years finally snap and kill their abuser, the law may not agree that murder is a fair enough punishment.

And no, I don't believe that violence and murder can be condoned because of 'cultural' reasons either.
When living in Australia, everyone abides by the laws here, and gets suitable punishment if they break them.
Certainly, DV murders should be treated every bit as serious as non-DV murders.

Suseonline, "And no, I don't believe that violence and murder can be condoned because of 'cultural' reasons either.
When living in Australia, everyone abides by the laws here, and gets suitable punishment if they break them.
Certainly, DV murders should be treated every bit as serious as non-DV murders"

Agree.

The problem with Turnbull's pragmatism is that he fails the real areas of DV concern and he deliberately over-simplifies the causes.

I will rile the educated white middle class gender feminists in saying this, but they have been guilty of making a meal of the millions of guvvy funds for decades, while the Struggle Towns have got worse and the abuses in indigenous communities continue.

Looking back on the 4X4 travels in remote areas that I did as a student and travels in country and more remote places decades later, I have witnessed the growth of problems from not known in some areas then to a huge problem now. How did the billions of taxpayers dollars do that?

Turnbull and his advisers need to eschew the easy political points scoring to be had by agreeing with the noisy lobbyists of urban elites.

Having declared it all to be a 'gender problem', Turnbull will of course be jetting off 'over there' to strut the world stage.

He should be in his car and on foot visiting the once pretty and peaceful country towns that are now avoided by travellers because of the indigenous lawlessness, violence and crime that is now apparent. Suffer the little children, eh?

Regarding Rosie Batty, it should be apparent to all that the media and political interests are using her (albeit with her cooperation). So much for ethics. There should be fears for her future, because one day that misplaced adulation and celebrity will end. The media knobs know that, but todays sensationalist headlines always take precedence.

Onthebeach, I am not agreeing with the usual feminist conspiracy theories re DV regularly trotted out on this forum, because I don't believe women have as much say on any political matters as you seem to think....yet.
Anything Turnbull and Co say and do are for their own purposes and not for anything they are 'told' to do by these un-named feminists.

I doubt the feminists as such have much to do with the lack of action re indigenous violence and sex abuse, but more likely those people concerned with indigenous 'rights' and the Stolen Generation etc. which could be driven by religious, political and/or human rights organizations filled with all sorts of people.

The indigenous DV situation is even more fraught with gender issues than other groups in society, given that the women (and men) are even less likely to report abuse on themselves, and also the wider indigenous community won't report on each other.
So secrets in the domestic environment in those communities are even more controlled than in most other communities.

I don't know what the final paragraph is that RObert asserts is inconsistent with evidence. If it's "Incidentally for the diversionary gender warriors," [snip] "conflate abuse with violence", then it doesn't require evidence as it merely suggests a red line distinguishing domestic violence from other abuse, in that domestic violence consists of ABH and battery up to and including murder.

The Dutton and Nicholls paper surveys abuse as a whole, and it would be an arduous task to isolate within it the abuse that is violence. Even to do so would elucidate only gender-warrior irrelevancies about male vs female statistics.

It doesn't impinge on whether or not violent criminals (whatever gender, culture, ethnicity etc they are) can go on inflicting ABH and above on their partners while banged up in gaol. The answer to that question, without any academic research, would seem to be a no-brainer.

Just a stray afterthought: Does anyone know how many of the 66 DV murders up to now for 2015 were men murdered by women and how many were women murdered by men? Could make a useful database for the gender wars that occupy those who don't want the system to get on with stopping the violence.

Emperor given that particular aspect has been discussed over and over on this thread its a very strong indication of how little attention you pay to what other people are actaully saying. So focussed on your obsession with long joal terms that you have not bothered to pay any attention to the discussion. Go back and read the thread and try and understand whats being said.

R0bert