phanto,

"It has nothing to do with morals and everything to do with maintaining the integrity of the forums. When I point out your aggression and your egotism it is because the forums are not here to pander to the insecurities that you have which make you behave in this way."

Sorry I've been busy the last little while..I expect you thought I'd read your stuff and went off for a fulsome sulk - but I've only just seen it.

Goodness me, if I'd realised you were diagnosing my foibles, I would have made a bee line back to this thread.

Positively fascinating....

"Most people come here to discuss issues that are important to them and that is how it should be. Some people come here under the guise of caring about the issues but their real intent is to try and hurt others or to big note themselves."

I came here to discuss the current movement which is intent on shutting down attention to the woeful situation regarding women and DV - and the vocal clamour to shut down that attention and smother conversation by shrieking that it disrespects "men" - like your opening post.

Eg,

".... Let’s get the numbers down – it doesn’t matter how. It doesn’t matter where men take their suppressed violence as long as we get the numbers down..."

You seem to think (judging from you thread opener) - that is a terrible thing.

"If you do not want your aggression or your egotism exposed then it is up to you to stop behaving in those ways. Every time you behave in that way then you run the risk of having it exposed."

Poirot is apparently "aggressive" - because she is forthright in her opinion. Her egotism has been exposed - Egad!

And what are we going to do about your rather entertaining passive-aggressive attitude to moi? Methinks I'll sit back and let you wax lyrical on the subject. You're rather a fascinating study yourself, phanto. Since you believe this is the forum to analyse fellow posters, I'll be taking notes...carry on : )

otb,

"Don't YOU have a son? If a mother cannot love her son enough to protect him from feminist lies that call him a potential molester, rapist and beater of girls and women, who will?"

That is the biggest load of BS I've heard.

What is it with you guys? Why are you all so sensitive. I take it that none of you would classify yourselves as any of those things - that all of you repudiate the kinds of actions and the kind of men that carry out those actions.

Why are you all yodelling as if it's being attributed to all of you?

It's not.

My son is old enough to note these things in the news, etc. There is no way he would (even at his young age) take umbrage or consider himself disrespected because "some" men behave badly.

The PM pours one third of the money removed back in to address the situation, and you think it's the end of the world. $300 million was removed by the Abbott regime from programs and refuges - just $100 million has been put back.

Get this:

"It is time for real women to man-up. You know as well as anyone else that Turnbull is playing politics to spike the guns of those taxpayer-funded feminist knobs in academia (who are shameless), the public bureaucracy and as consultants who, quite plainly, suck mightily from the public moneys allocated by government and precious little of the dough ever reaches the intended recipients."

You, otb are precisely the calibre of commentator, we'll be steering Mr14 clear of.

“I expect you thought I'd read your stuff and went off for a fulsome sulk”

But yet here you are ‘up for it‘ yet again - aren’t you the brave one?

“I came here to discuss the current movement...”

Well if you are here for the right reasons there is no need to explain yourself to me.

“Poirot is apparently "aggressive" - because she is forthright in her opinion.”

Why do you need to be ’forthright’? If you are confident in your opinions they will speak for themselves.

“Since you believe this is the forum to analyse fellow posters, I'll be taking notes...carry on : )”

Why don’t you act according to your own beliefs rather than mine?

phanto,

"But yet here you are ‘up for it‘ yet again - aren’t you the brave one?"

Hmmm...okay....if you say so.

"Why do you need to be ’forthright’? If you are confident in your opinions they will speak for themselves."

You tell me, Dr Freud...you were saying that it was because of my "insecurities"...which make me "behave in this way"

"Well if you are here for the right reasons there is no need to explain yourself to me."

Geez, don't forsake me, I was just getting comfortable and good psychoanalysts are as rare as hen's teeth around here....

Poirot:

“Hmmm...okay....if you say so.”

No that is what you said in as many words. I was simply reflecting what you seem to think about yourself.

“You tell me, Dr Freud...you were saying that it was because of my "insecurities"...which make me "behave in this way"

No your insecurities pertain to your aggression. Forthrightness is not aggression – it is just unnecessary.

"Well if you are here for the right reasons there is no need to explain yourself to me."

“Geez, don't forsake me, I was just getting comfortable and good psychoanalysts are as rare as hen's teeth around here....”

I am not analysing you on that score I am simply saying that you are under no obligation to me or anyone else for that matter, to excuse yourself or give reasons why you do what you do.

It seems to me that you do not really comprehend what I am saying and I cannot say it any more clearly so there is little point in continuing this discussion.

"I came here to discuss the current movement which is intent on shutting down attention to the woeful situation regarding women and DV - and the vocal clamour to shut down that attention and smother conversation by shrieking that it disrespects "men""

and yet from my take on the posts none of those posters Poirot is disagreeing with have at any stage said aything that looks like an intent to shutdown attention on DV facing women.

Clearly calls for the debate to be widened, to include DV facing men. Clearly calls for a rethink on the way the issue is handled by authorities. None implies or reasonably suggests any intent to remove attention from DV impacting women. At worst a sharing of attention however given the proportiin of DV attention that has been given to female victims over many years and the apparnt limited success its pretty clear that the isolated focus on just female victims is not a successful strategy (except for those seeking a bigger slice of the pie in family court proceedings). Its years past the time to broaden the debate and work towards reducing the violence by addressing it all.

EmperorJulian, I have no idea how to respond to your point. You appear to be advocatingna lynch mob mentality where the mob think identifies the guilty party based on stereotypes and locks them away for a long time without any considerations of fairness or determining if you have actually identified the abusive person or rather their victim striking back after years of abuse.

R0bert