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Real men - Malcolm wants you.

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otb,

"Feminists are so predictable: a woman columnist who disagrees with them is guilty of 'wrongthink' and is an enemy.

It is irrelevant that what she is saying has considerable merit."

I don't see Devine as an "enemy" - I see her as a purveyor of garbage.

She's an attention seeking nong.

Here's one from yesterday:

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/national/miranda-devine-perth-electrical-engineers-discovery-will-change-climate-change-debate/story-fnii5thq-1227555674611?utm_content=SocialFlow&utm_campaign=EditorialSF&utm_source=CourierMail&utm_medium=Twitter

Plugging junk-science climate deniers is about her level of expertise.
Posted by Poirot, Monday, 5 October 2015 5:07:15 PM
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Poirot,

This is the subject article.

<Feminist dogma whips up the domestic violence industry

IT is a marvellous irony that the domestic violence activists who have spent the week abusing and misrepresenting me claim to be champions of “respect” for women.

My sin was to point out the incontrovertible truth about domestic violence, that it is overwhelmingly concentrated in dysfunctional remote indigenous communities and public housing estates.

The response from femi-fascists was to try to get me sacked, silenced and banned from twitter.

They called for my “sterilisation”, branded me a “murder apologist”, a “troll”, a “sicko”, an “idiot”, “a bimbo”, “a vile creature dangerous to kids”, “nasty and vicious”, “stupid”, “a disgrace”, “rabid old hatemonger”, “a typical Australian”.

“Your victim blaming has done almost as much harm to victims of Domestic Violence as the abusers,” read one email.

Yes, the faux-rage meter was at full tilt.

But I value these intemperate expressions, because they provide evidence of a concerted attempt to cover up the truth.

Domestic violence is the last frontier of feminism. You might think women had already achieved equality in the traditional markers of status in our society, most obviously in higher education, where 60 per cent of university graduates last year were female.

But for feminism to remain relevant, it needs to extend victim status even to the most affluent, pampered women of the chattering classes.

Thus the feminist dogma about domestic violence is that all women are equally at risk and all men potential perpetrators.

In the words of Natasha Stott Despoja, Australia’s Ambassador for Women and Girls, and the Chair of domestic violence lobbying organisation Our Watch: “Violence against women does not discriminate, regardless of ethnicity, social status and geography.”

Only, actually, it does.

This is what I pointed out in the column that has enraged the sisterhood, that domestic violence is concentrated in communities where the underclass lives, where welfare dependency has emasculated men, where drug and alcohol abuse is rife, and intergenerational social disadvantage is entrenched.>
TBC..
Posted by onthebeach, Monday, 5 October 2015 5:21:12 PM
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continued,

<I cited the latest data from the NSW Bureau of Crime Statistics, showing the rate of domestic violence in Bourke, with its large indigenous population 60 times higher than in affluent north shore Sydney suburbs. The housing estate welfare traps concentrated in Campbelltown and Penrith are similar hotspots.

The evidence is everywhere if you care to look, that poverty, intergenerational dysfunction, mental illness and substance abuse are preconditions for a domestic violence hotspot, with chronic underreporting in indigenous communities hiding the level of distress.

Take the NSW Coroner’s Court’s annual reports of the NSW Domestic Violence Death Review Team which invariably involve welfare dependent couples in and out of jail, with “cumulative social issues in both cases.”

The cases are marked by “serious social disadvantage including in many cases poverty, substance abuse issues, violent coping mechanisms, intergenerational violence”.

Or take the 2011 BOSCAR report “Personal stress, financial stress and violence against women which shows “risk of violence increases progressively with the level of financial stress (and) personal stress.”

For pointing out these inconvenient truths, I was accused of “blaming victims”.

Fake quotes attributed to me, such as: “Rich men don’t hit women”.

The classic modus operandi of feminist outrage sites such as MamaMia is to make up a line, pretend I said it and then attack me for (not) saying it.

This is the intolerance of the femi-fascist. They ignore BOSCAR statistics but trumpet every half-baked internet survey which makes a ludicrous claims such as that a quarter of young Australian men don’t think there’s anything wrong with beating women.

When the Our Watch group, which receives $8 million of federal funding each year to “change attitudes”, wrote a rebuttal to my column this week, it airily claimed that “The latest international evidence shows that factors such as low socio-economic status or harmful use of alcohol do not have a constant or predictable impact on levels of violence against women.”

Yet, when challenged to provide this evidence, Our Watch cited a UN report on domestic violence in other Asia-Pacific countries such as Indonesia, PNG and Bangladesh.>
contd
Posted by onthebeach, Monday, 5 October 2015 5:26:39 PM
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<When further challenged to provide research from comparable countries to Australia, Our Watch cited a European study which contains Australian criticism of “the lack of attention to social class and to working class community norms and pressures” in domestic violence cases; it also cited a study which found that lower socioeconomic status was more frequent among men enrolled in “batterers’ programs”.

Campaigns such as Destroy the Joint’s Counting Women project insist on making domestic violence a gender issue. It claims 66 women are victims this year, with the implication these are all “intimate partner” homicides, perpetrated by males.

In fact, only about half of the homicides cited could be classified as having a male partner or ex-partner identified as the killer.

Some of the 66 victims were killed by women, by sisters, daughters, a female neighbour or, in one case, a female ex-lover of the victim’s husband, as well as by brothers, fathers, and sons, strangers, acquaintances and persons unknown.

Domestic violence is a serious enough without exaggerating.

The activists cherrypick facts to support their dogma, rather than using statistics to better target scarce resources to help the most vulnerable victims, and to address the root causes of domestic violence.

To break the intergenerational cycle of violence, I wrote that we need to “end the welfare incentive for unsuitable women to keep having children to a string of feckless men”. This was twisted to claim that I had called victims of domestic violence “unsuitable women”.

The dishonesty is clear. The aim is to avoid the obvious, that boys brought up in an environment of chaos, dysfunction and violence, who are neglected and abused, are more likely to become abusive, violent men with poor impulse control.

But these are not facts the man-bashing femi-fascists who control the domestic violence industry want to hear.>
http://tinyurl.com/nexzukw

Poirot,
Now that you have the article before you, you might direct your criticism at her claims and not just rely on slurs.
Posted by onthebeach, Monday, 5 October 2015 5:32:15 PM
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Just for those who get a little lost in the misdirection
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=7006#214953
"I like this:

"....ignore the "likely" male deaths...."

"....and just refer to "claimed" numbers of female deaths..."

Isn't rhetoric fun when we can quietly slip in such descriptors!"

Suseonline posts that 66 people have been killed in intimate partner violence so far this year which is the number of women that previous posts had claimed were killed by intimate partners so far (since called into question by material posted by Onthebeach). Hence the word claim.

Suseonline ignored the estimates of the number of men killed by intimate partners. Based on the claim of 66 females and an historical pattern of around 25% of all intimate partner homicides being male victims it had previously been estimated to be around 20 unless this years patterns altered significantly from the averages, hence the "likely" term.

Poirot misrepresents it to call it rhetoric. Pretty much any angle she can find to divert attention from any deaths or DV involving male victims. Their very existence is a challenge to the foundations of feminist beliefs about DV.

Suseonline is also called out because after a long history of sarcastic responses to men raising the role of feminism in the lies told about DV (including on this thread) as though the idea was some far fetched absurdity she admitted on another thread that she had not heard of the Duluth model. She is in no position to attack others based on such a woefully poor understanding of the issues.

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Monday, 5 October 2015 6:05:26 PM
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The Duluth model is an ideological based rather than evidenced based feminist creation that unfortunately has sat at the core of much of the western worlds response to DV over several decades.

Very likely costing large numbers of lives and vast amount of misery because of it's misdiagnosis of root causes and the vigour the supporters of the underlying precepts have applied in attacking anybody pointing out the problems (see the article Onthebeach referenced for a small sampling.

Reading the work of a range of researchers in the DV a very common theme from those who don't start with the assumption of DV being gendered is the attacks they have faced for doing research that tries to establish facts rather than supporting the feminist line on DV.

To back up a point made in the article Onthebeach posted a reminder of an older set of government stats I referenced early in the thread http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=7006#214514 which indicated around 50% of Intimate partner homicide victims and perpetrators were not employed. Some other research I've read recently discusses a high correlation between mental illness and DV perpetrators.

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Monday, 5 October 2015 6:10:20 PM
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