Dear Kactuz,

That was actually very brave of you. To admit to having no conscience is no small thing.

I suppose the anonymity of this forum does more easily allow such a confession but still it is impressive nonetheless.

“Psychopaths rarely feel guilt regarding any of their behaviors, no matter how much they hurt others.”

A pathological lack of empathy might seem to be an affliction too great to lead a normal life but that is not the case. You will find the following talk by James Fallon insightful. He is a neuroscientist who had been studying the brains of psychopathic killers. It turned out that after having his own brain scanned he found almost identical damage to those he had been examining. It completely threw him but confirmation from his wife, his family, and his colleagues, plus a deep look at his genetics now has him accepting who he is.
http://youtu.be/SJkANzD_ck0?t=9m53s

You spoke of two of your three children questioning your own mental health which seems to fit James' narrative.

Your affliction is not in the same category as JOM's. Holocaust deniers like him are not deemed to be universally psychopathic though there might be a case to deem them universally pathetic.

My thanks for being so forthright, I feel it has given me a deeper understanding of where you are coming from. All the best.

Dear o sung wu,

I let the first one slide but not this. We all know the motive, it's the same one that has been shown by so many others – discredit Kurdi so diminish the sympathy for these poor unfortunates who are fleeing the war in Syria, but I would have thought this line of questioning was beneath you.

The answers are easily found and the timeline is pretty clear, the drownings occurred near shore and at night. The bodies began washing up in the morning.

But these facts are of little interest to you otherwise you would have discovered them yourself. Instead you flag some highly unlikely, frankly preposterous scenario which has the children possibly being smothered instead of drowning.

I have pulled people from the water who were unconscious and within seconds of drowning without hemorrhagic edema residue presenting anywhere externally. However I have also seen people who have been resuscitated and there it is quite evident. The main factor is the compression of the chest which didn't happen in this case.

You are correct in one thing though, you are not a forensic scientist. Neither am I but even the most rudimentary research would have informed you that rigour mortis is far less evident in youngsters and infants due to their limited muscle mass.

Might be time to park discussing these kids.

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As a clearance diver for the Navy my father was often called to do some pretty gruesome work. One day that entailed retrieving the body of the pilot of a downed cargo plane in Botany Bay. It had been down there nearly two weeks, however the water was warm and the wreck was at a relatively shallow depth so my father threw on a helmet harnessed under his arms. There was little difficulty entering the wreck and he made his way into the cockpit. He unbuckled the unfortunate pilot's belt then made the fatal mistake of grabbing the body around the torso to drag it free. At that point a great bubble of two week old stomach gases were released and made their way straight up into my father's mask. According to him the stench was unbearable and he immediately threw up in his mask. He had to strip it from his head and wash it out while still in the cockpit. He still retrieved the body though. It wasn't the most pleasant days work.

The second is about my grandfather. He was for many years the only copper in a small country town in the Western districts. After some massive floods in the area he was informed of a body that had been found by a farmer downstream of the town. He arrived late that night but couldn't find the farmer so he grabbed a wheelbarrow and headed down to retrieve it alone. Once the body was loaded he headed back across a large paddock with just a lantern guiding him. He hit a bump and he swore the body sat bolt upright and let out a massive groan before slumping back down. He froze for a full minute before composing himself enough to continue. Once again it was escaping gases.

The joys of being one up on the job.

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So o sung wu I get that in your previous job death and the circumstances surrounding it would have held a lot of interest. From the number of cop and forensic shows on TV it does the same for a large chunk of the population.

There are times when speculation can be a great diversion, it is just under these circumstances it is untoward and unseemly.

STEELEREDUX...

Again I feel immensely humbled by your extraordinary depth of knowledge. I find your measure is absolutely unequalled and totally breathtaking !

Moreover, you've established you know precisely nothing of sudden death protocols recognised in forensic science, specifically those dealing with death by drowning. The infant's legs we not mentioned as a sign of rigor, merely signs of distension of ankles and hands symptomatic of suffocation ? I refer you to; Vernon J GEBERTH'S 'Homicide Investigation' 4th ed., or perhaps you could try; Spitz & Fisher's 'Medicolegal Investigation of Death' 3rd ed. or DiMario Snr. & DiMario's 'Forensic Pathology' 2nd ed. or a number of other texts I could cite herein. Whether you can tease out anything useful from the above texts, specifically dealing with suffocation per se, I don't know ?

Why do you allow your arrogance and hubris to overtake your arguments ? Attacking others for daring to express an opinion that you find contrary to yours ? Or alluding to specific remarks and views that have been expressed by KACTUZ as an example, as being psychopathic ? Just as well this Forum is shrouded in anonymity otherwise you'd be glancing over your shoulder for some time into the future ?

I'm beginning to think you suffer from a 'God' complex too STEELEREDUX ?

Is it your wish henceforth, that all of us subordinate beings who regularly contribute to this Forum must hereinafter, defer and embrace everything and anything you say as total sacrosanctity ?

Is it your further wish to assemble legions of loyal followers who'll sit patiently at your feet, and listen for those rare gems of knowledge that you may choose to share with your faithful disciples ?

I again repeat ad nauseam, you're NOT the moderator, you're not the guardian of unfettered free speech, nor are you as important as you think you are !

It would seem many on this Forum now have your measure, they treat most of what you say with a great deal of mockery and distain, with the realization you're simply a boastful, pompous, know all !

Dear o sung wu,

I'm rather disappointed, its about this time in our exchanges that you claim I am suffering from a 'narcissistic personality' or I am 'the most narcissistic person you know'. Of course I am never allowed to feel completely special because you have rolled exactly the same labels out for paul1405 and a bunch of others on this forum.

We all seem to have one thing in common, we disagree with you.

Really mate, if you want to have a forum where everyone is going to be lock step with your views then Andrew Bolt's blog is the go. People like me have their comments kicked quick smart.

What you are attempting to do by suggesting these poor children might have met their fate through being wilfully smothered is bring suspicion down on a grieving father. It is driven by your antipathy toward Muslims and it is reprehensible. Even Jay of Melbourne backed away from your remarks and that takes some doing.

And this piece of wankery takes the cake;

“As I stated earlier on, there was no (seen) residual from the mouth or the nasal cavity (hemorrhagic edema).”

In none of the photographs can you even see the poor lad's mouth or nasal openings but you concluded murder was likely.

What a nasty hateful game you are playing my friend and yes you should be ashamed of it.