Jom,
I know little of the Sundanese and somarlie refugees, except I was told there was trouble in Melbourne. You Mexicans kept that pretty well to yourselves and I think you had that female police commissioner around that time.

The first wave of Lebanese refugees were mainly non muslims and they settled in pretty good and have been productive citizens in the main. It is quite a different story with the muslim refugees. The muslim Lebs have been nothing but trouble. It is the same with later generations as well.

I would be quite happy to just accept our annual quota but I can see the government yielding to pressure. I trust in a better result with an influx of non muslims.

Latest figures on the great success of "refugee" intake:

• 85% of them still on welfare after 5 years

• 9% only of Afghans have jobs

• 94% of all receive welfare

•34% of sri lankans from camps have jobs

Scott Morrison described low-levels of employment,
welfare dependency, lower income levels and very
poor English skills as a toxic cocktail that
leads to enclaving and serious inter-generational
social problems with re-settlement of refugees.

The settlement outcomes for refugees improve over
time. A report put out by the Department of
Immigration and Citizenship into the settlement of
refugees in more than a decade found that
there were difficulties, especially in the early
years in securing stable employment. Many of the
unemployed had very poor English skills.

The statistics for skilled migrant intake and family
migrant intake were more positive with 84 per cent of
skilled migrants working and a little over 50 per cent
of family migrants employed.

The report also did find positive outcomes for
humanitarian entrants. With almost a quarter completing
a trade or university qualification within five years of
arriving.

The government is trying to improve conditions. This
however also requires understanding of the fact that the
early years after arrival in a new country call for the
greatest adjustment not only for the migrant, but also
for the local people who interact with the migrant.
Much has been written on the humourous exposure of thes
problem. The literature on this topic has been growing
rapidly. And as we have done in the past - most fair-minded
and decent Australians will make the needed adjustment.
As will the migrants with our help.

ttbn, "Latest figures on the great success of "refugee" intake:

• 85% of them still on welfare after 5 years
..
• 94% of all receive welfare"

Those are very poor outcomes by any reasonable taxpayer's measure.

Doubtless much of that is because they hang around major metropolitan cities, esp Sydney but Melbourne as well.

Notwithstanding that, there are always plenty of unskilled and semi-skilled jobs that do not require much English.

There is an imported Asian team of tile layers working on a multiple dwelling site near me. They are directed by a local tiling sub-contractor. Few of them speak anything but the most rudimentary English.

If people want work it will soon find them.

For the benefit of SteeleRedux and Fox,

<Syrian toddler Aylan's father drove capsized boat, other passengers say

The father of drowned Syrian toddler Aylan Kurdi was working with smugglers and driving the flimsy boat that capsized trying to reach Greece, other passengers on board said, in an account that disputes the version he gave last week.

Ahmed Hadi Jawwad and his wife, Iraqis who lost their 11-year-old daughter and 9-year-old son in the crossing, told Reuters that Abdullah Kurdi panicked and accelerated when a wave hit the boat, raising questions about his claim that somebody else was driving the boat.

A third passenger confirmed their version of events, which Reuters could not independently verify.

"The story that (Aylan's father) told is untrue. I don't know what made him lie, maybe fear," Jawwad said in Baghdad at his in-laws' house on Friday. "He was the driver from the very beginning until the boat sank."

He said Kurdi swam to them and begged them to cover up his true role in the incident. His wife confirmed the details.

Jawwad said his point of contact with the smugglers was called Abu Hussein. "Abu Hussein told me that he (Kurdi) was the one who organized this trip," he said...>

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/11/us-europe-migrants-turkey-iraq-idUSKCN0RB2BE20150911

Hi there JAY OF MELBOURNE...

Thank you for your response and some of the excellent links you kindly furnished us all.

The photo of the young three year old toddler still concern me ? So I'm going to stick my stupid head out once more for another good kicking ?

As I opined in my previous piece, the usual characteristics of drowning were absent from what I saw of this poor little soul ? I again state, I'm N O T a forensic pathologist, and all that I saw was the single image (that we all viewed) of that poor little fellow ? But I've dealt with drowning's and attended the autopsy's associated with those drowning's.

As I stated earlier on, there was no (seen) residual from the mouth or the nasal cavity (hemorrhagic edema). However, if a victim has been smothered, quite an easy proposition on a three year old, asphyxia can easily occur. This small child could well have been murdered, unlikely I hear you say ? It would have to go to motive wouldn't it ? What would be the benefit to anyone, to have this small infant (seemingly), appeared to have drowned ? And we don't have the benefit of a 'timeline' either ?

In drowning's, the body submerges, and then ascends to the surface again, as bodily gases expend ? As the infant was carried away by the security officer, his legs appeared to be slightly bent ? Still, we don't have the benefit of a 'timeline' unfortunately ? Only the father can advise the approximate time when his vessel capsized, and the approximate time the infant was in the water ?

Would the Turkish authorities have conducted an autopsy ? Certainly, here and in most other developed countries a body found without any explanation as to cause of death, would most certainly provoke a serious police investigation together with an autopsy for the Coroner ? ANY unexplained death, there's always a presumption of foul play.