Hi Malthusia,

Probably because I wasn't rebutting anyone specifically, only trying vainly to show up inconsistencies in various arguments.

Here's another one: ISIS is just a bit-player in the Middle East [even though it controls a larger territory than New South Wales with perhaps five million people under its fascist control, has an army larger than Australia's, and has driven many millions from their homes]. We should take twenty thousand Syrians.

I certainly agree that we should take twenty thousand Syrians: the most persecuted twenty thousand: Yazidis, Kurds, Turkmens, Christians, Druses, and a hundred other persecuted minorities who have never done any harm to anybody. The Saudis can take Sunni refugees, and the Iranians and Iraqis can take Shia refugees. Funny, I don't see them rushing to make offers.

ISIS a bit-player ? I wonder who di Natale thinks are the main players then ?

Joe

>>The Saudis can take Sunni refugees, and the Iranians and Iraqis can take Shia refugees. Funny, I don't see them rushing to make offers<<

The Saudis, although not taking any refugees themselves, promised to help Germany to cope with the influx by financing the building of 200 new mosques! (http://www.ibtimes.com/amid-muslim-refugee-crisis-saudi-arabia-vows-build-200-mosques-germany-2090905).

//The EU, the US, Canada and Australia should increase their refugee intake, of the most destitute and desperate.... So, in the meantime, all countries should recognise their human responsibilities for people suffering from wars and corruption not of their own choosing and open their arms to genuine refugees.//

But if you do that then you open the door to people who aren't like us, who will be a drain on our economy and who are trying to invade and conquer our country by stealth so they can convert us all to their barbaric religion.

Just look at what happened after the Vietnam War... we opened our door to genuine refugees suffering because of war, and even though Australia was much wealthier back in the 1980's the huge influx of country-shoppers looking for a government handout bankrupted the country because refugees don't contribute to the economies of countries they resettle in. Not only did they bankrupt us, we all have to speak Vietnamese and follow the Vietnamese folk religion. How on Earth could anybody think it is sensible to repeat these mistakes with Syrians?

//........ Australia was much wealthier back in the 1980's the huge influx of country-shoppers looking for a government handout bankrupted the country because refugees don't contribute to the economies of countries they resettle in. Not only did they bankrupt us, we all have to speak Vietnamese and follow the Vietnamese folk religion. How on Earth could anybody think it is sensible to repeat these mistakes with Syrians? //

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Meanwhile malthusista, I was suggesting that Australia and allies remove their iron curtain and work legally with President Bashar al-Assad and Russia and Iran to make the the process legal, to bring about peace and prosperity.

Hi Toni,

Thanks, there's another one:

(a) " .... you open the door to people who aren't like us, who will be a drain on our economy and who are trying to invade and conquer our country by stealth so they can convert us all to their barbaric religion."

(b) We shouldn't bomb, or take any hostile action, against the fascist ISIS thugs.

Thanks. Actually, Vietnamese is quite a beautiful language, I've tried to learn the basics. For some years, I sold Vietnamese coffee at the Sunday markets and met some really great people. They'd often been through hell, but were usually happy and positive. Bloody good workers too.

But you're entitled to your views: after all, there is no law against being a bigot, and OLO is the best forum for all of us, decent people AND bigots.

Joe

The sudden upsurge in immigrants arriving may not be as spontaneous
as perhaps we thought.
Specifically what started the sudden surge out of Turkey and Lebanon ?
Was there an Arabic twitter and facebook campaign ?

The Greeks have discovered a container of "aid for immigrants" that had
a lot of military style rifles packed in the container.
Most of the voice was in Greek so it was hard to get the gist about it.

Was that part of a plan to arm the "refugees" of whom some 70% are
unaccompanied males of military age ?
This plan was floated sometime ago from memory.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn-UCR5p0y0&feature=youtu.be

It could all be a misunderstanding, but ---