JF Aus, how would Israel be able to sort out the ISIS in the crowd from
the genuine asylum seekers.
As you can see the Germans are having the same problem as we did.
The ones we see on TV are coming mostly in small boats that appear to
be piloted by someone who has never seen the sea before.
Are you suggesting that they are coming from Lebanon, if they are it is
in ships and not rubber duckies. ?

Why are they not travelling from Turkey by road ?
It has to be stupidity.
Why am I the only one to ask this question ?

Bazz, I think Israel would have the best experience to sort out the killers and criminals. It would be a good opportunity for Israel to work toward peace in the region.

I think you are asking the land travel from Turkey question because the news reporting is confusing.
I think most of the passengers are coming from the coast of Libya and I think some of the people smuggler drivers leave from Turkey and go to Libya to pick up their passengers, a very lucrative cash on the spot cargo. Smugglers go where the money is.

The drivers must have some experience otherwise they would not get so far out to sea. However even most experienced drivers would not have experience with heavy cargo, especially heavy cargo that is not tied down and that rolls like jelly causing imbalance in reasonable open water swells. Those desert dwelling passengers have no idea of balancing the boat when needed.

No JF Aus,
You are thinking of those going to Italy. It would be an impossible
voyage in a rubber ducky to go from Lybia to Greece. You could not
carry enough fuel anyway.

No they are traveling the strait between Turkey and the Greek Islands
distances about 20km. On the TV taken in Kos you can see the mountains
in Turkey in the background.
Some are traveling from Lybia, but must be getting there by air.

If they went via Istanbul they would end up a lot further North and
would not have to get from the Islands to Athens.
No stupidity seems the most likely explanation.

What do you think would happen if they arrived in Israel with a
hostile Arab population at hand with a contingent of ISIS arriving in
the crowd of refugees. Anyway, they would probably refuse to go there.

Hi JF Aus,

Obviously one question is why Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States are not taking refugees. The more crucial question is why none of the refugees seem to want to go there.

We should sympathise with the Gulf States, they're probably much more preoccupied with building 72 islands in the shape of virgins, for luxury apartments; and kilometre-high towers. Perhaps they could call them 'Babel'.

Israel has absolutely no obligation to take hostile populations into its territory. Why on earth should it ? In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they already have, perhaps Christians or Druse. Their hospitals have been caring for wounded from both/all/every side, it seems. They don't really have a dog in this fight, and the less Israeli involvement in any way, the less complicated life will be for them. If Iran gets involved - and that might only happen if the West doesn't get stuck well and truly into the ISIS fascists - the picture might change.

Here's a scenario: The West, Russian and Iran agree to a truce between such pro-democratic groups as there may be, and Assad's forces, to join in a combined effort to utterly destroy the fascists. Any breach by either the West or by Russia/Iran and all bets are off.

Once, after some years, ISIS has been destroyed, some years hence, and hopefully by which time democratic forces and anti-ISIS Sunni forces have got themselves organised, and perhaps the country has been partitioned into a Sunni state and a coalition of democratic forces and a Shia-Alawite-Christian state, ........ hmmm ...... I haven't thought this right through, have I ?

And probably no-one has :(

Joe

JF, you can see them every night arriving in the Greek Islands in
small boats. Boats like that CANNOT carry enough fuel to get from
Turkey to Lybia. It is JUST IMPOSSIBLE !

Hans Tholstrup went from Victoria to Tasmania in a rubber boat with a mini moke on top of it. I wonder the miles from Libya to Greece, Crete anyway.
I think many people are coming by sea from Libya to Italy and Greece.
The different media reports are confusing as I have said.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/08/scores-dead-refugees-boat-libya-coast-150826143403778.html

But I see your point about those arriving at Kos. I think they would go that way to miss danger in Turkey, in the notorioius Kyber Pass for example, maybe.

Hi Loudmouth,

Maybe the refugees don't want to go there because ISIS wants their lot to go with the stampede to Europe.

The shape of islands does not interest me, I would just like one of those teapots from Babylon. Like Major Nelson has.

I have always been pro American especially since they came and fought for Aus in nearby Pacific Islands, but I also agree with Putin helping Assad to regain control.

I think democracy is untenable among so many tribally religious people. I think it needs a dictator to control peace there as best as possible.