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Is Bill Shorten the Workers Friend or Foe?
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Posted by Shadow Minister, Wednesday, 15 July 2015 12:15:39 PM
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Shadow,
If you can't find a beat up from one of Murdoch's fish wrappers, you simply invent your own load of rubbish. What experience do you have with unions, I would think none, simply been another union hating "suit" who's only experience with industrial relations was the times you got pinged by the boss for having another one of those 2 hour long lunches, some of the non productive paper pushes, now computer jockey's, think they are so entitled to. Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 15 July 2015 7:18:43 PM
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Paul,
Now I have you cornered, the information was from the parliamentary disclosures by the greens. Here is the information from the greens. http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2015/07/14/1227442/058504-2e386132-2a2c-11e5-9e41-70fbd812ceac.jpg As for HR in constructing new plant I have had more than a little experience of the CFMEU their stand over tactics and corruption. With attempts to shut the site over BS safety issues and "taxes" on food vendors, the image of the CFMEU is more organised crime than organised labor. It would appear that the greens are for sale. Posted by Shadow Minister, Wednesday, 15 July 2015 8:22:39 PM
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Shadow,
You refer to perfectly legal donations, all above board and transparent, unlike those illegal property developer donations in NSW which seen a conga line of corrupt Liberals paraded before the ICAC. This illegality by the Liberal Party resulted in mass resignations and adverse findings galore, at least a dozen party criminals were flushed out from the Liberal nest of vipers. To quote from one of your own 'The Daily Telegraph' in 2014: "In nine months, 11 Liberal politicians have resigned, stepped down or moved to the crossbenches amid corruption investigations. Labor’s ship has been equally rat-infested, with names like Obeid, Macdonald, Kelly and Tripodi now bywords for the stink in Macquarie St." I would pick you as being an 'anti union anti safety' type, a statistics which would be meaningless to you; "As at 14 July 2015, 83 Australian workers have been killed while at work." Since 2013, 551 workers have been killed on the job. That is more than the total number of Australians the Liberal Party had killed during the entire Vietnam War. It was safer to be in Vietnam under the Liberals than on a job site today with them in government. If Abbott don't get you with his 'Work No Choices' lack of safety will. Of course you would say safety issues are BS on construction sites, not withstanding 62 people have lost their lives in 2 1/2 years in the construction industry alone, were you on some kind of bonus system to get the job done? Despite the vigilance of the CFMEU there are still cowboys, bosses and their lackeys who pay lip service to safety on many building sites. Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 16 July 2015 5:38:04 AM
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Paul,
Notably the same law in NSW that makes donations from developers illegal also makes donations from unions illegal, So the NSW have broken the law. I am not against all unions or safety, but I am against criminal unions using bogus safety claims to threaten during negotiations. A prime example of this is during one negotiation with the union, one of the CFMEU shop stewards ordered the site closed, because he thought he might have got an electrical shock. The only problem was that in the area that this supposedly happened there was no electrical power at all within 50 meters. The union's miscalculation was that in the site agreement safety issues could close down one area of the large site, but allow people to work in others. The stop work was treated as a strike, and the workers lost 2 days pay. This didn't happen again, and the shop steward wasn't seen on site again. I would guess that at least some of the injuries at work can be attributed to the CFMEU crying wolf too many times. Posted by Shadow Minister, Thursday, 16 July 2015 9:03:07 AM
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Shadow,
From your link, what was the total amount of union donations received by the NSW Greens? Answer Zero, Zilch, Nil, Nothing! Unlike the corrupt Liberals, The NSW Greens respect the law of the land and abide by it. Are you more concerned in trying to do a little bit of union bashing here, instead of making comment on workers killed on the job site. The likes of you would be perfectly safe at your employment, unless you accidentally stab yourself with a ball point pen and require hospitalisation you should not be in much danger. Shadow, it is all on the public record, the number of workers killed on the job in Australia. How many of those deaths can you attributed to the CFMEU cry wolf, as you put it? Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 16 July 2015 10:29:16 AM
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You won't need to report Karel Solom of the pedogreens as he has already been arrested as well you know.
I wonder if you could comment on the vast amount of money that the greens are taking from the unions last year (nearly $600k) incl >$100k from that quasi mafia union the CFMEU, and whether the Greens decision to block independent oversight of the construction industry is a conflict of interest due to being beholden to the unions?