Foxy,

You don't consider Shorten's signature on multiple contracts that strip away penalty rates accompanied by payments to the union as "evidence"?

Shorten or his union officers negotiated an agreement that Tony Sheppard claimed brought higher wages, better work safety practices and industrial peace to a major project. That seems like a winning situation for both sides.

In business, and I ran my own business successfully for ten years after 30 years in heavy industry management, it is a practice to have a third party collect money owed to a business. It is call factoring or using an agency. The party collecting the money is paid a fee.

A company collecting membership fees on behalf of a union is performing a factoring task and entitled to get a fee for doing so.
Shorten was not doing anything wrong; he was following the normal business practice of using and paying an agent.

To the conservatives a company following a business practice can do no wrong but a genuine small "l" liberal or union person following the same practice is up to some evil.

Please give some thought to a situation before writing nonsense.

Hi Paul,

I agree with you: call it like it is, clean out the rubbish and move on. How can any cause be worthy unless it is based on truth, justice and integrity ?

Joe

Yes, you are most certainly subjective, Foxy.

Dear ttbn,

I'm pleased to see that you recognise the
importance of subjectivity.

Spoken like our other impartiality expert -
Ms Bronwyn Bishop.

Well done.

to be far to Bill he along with most people has always been about self interest. He is no difference from the rest of humanity. The mask of representing and caring about workers however is disgusting. The Labour/Greens are heroes of taking the high moral ground while really being about lining their own pockets. The climate religion believers have shown this time and time again.