it all over folks, our next PM from the Iranian Liberal Party has made a statement on all this people smuggling and boat people stuff, its now crystal clear and Tony totally agrees with the following.

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpPZKwayH_pWPF20Ls0hgVw

CH,

"Foxy takes no umbrage with Poirot's false accusation that people have died at sea under this government..."

Okay, Mr Stickler for the Facts - which false "accusation".

I "surmised" that that may be the case - and that we have no way of knowing - and that judging by the way that boat was sent packing, that it may be a possibility.

Merely rationalising the situation.

That's not an accusation.

CH,

"...Can you name the specific law Abbott supposed broke that would constitute an illegal activity. Come on, what law is it?"

Okay...."Australia" and the laws it may have breached:

"Australian criminal law: Any such payments are likely to have violated section 73.3.A of the Australian Commonwealth Criminal Code and also contravened the Australian Migration Act. The criminal code and the migration act both outlaw people smuggling, or providing assistance to people smugglers.

Australian maritime law: Under Australia’s Maritime Power’s Act, Australian customs and Navy have the power to intercept and detain vessels in Australian waters, and detain people on board those boats in Australian waters.

But if the people smugglers were in fact in international waters and heading to New Zealand, these powers of detention would not be triggered, leaving Australia’s government in violation of its own maritime law.

International law: Australia is a signatory to the International Protocol against the Smuggling of Migrants by Land, Sea and Air, and any payment to people smugglers would be in contravention of this law.

Indonesian law: The crew of the boat in question are being held in Indonesia on charges of human smuggling and bribery. Both Indonesia’s anti-human trafficking bill, which makes the “giving and receiving of payments” related to trafficking illegal, and its anti-corruption bill may apply."

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2015/06/16/all-laws-australia-breaking-if-it-pays-human-smugglers-keep-migrants-away

How's that for starters?

Regarding the Goering quote:...let's face it, that's exactly what vacuous Abbott and his equally vacuous govt are doing. Noting that chaos and serial back-flipping are the only tangible achievements so far.

Every week or so they organise a flag draping ceremony where Abbott steps up to pull out his "the death cult is coming to get you"...."submit or die".... rubbish.

What a hero!

A.J.PHILIPS...

You can take it in any way you like my friend !

Dear ConservativeHippie,

Of course I can't prove what the Abbott-led
Coalition government did or did not do regarding
paying people smugglers. I have cited various
sources and their opinions on this discussion.
The latest is as follows:

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/five-questions-the-abbott-government-needs-to-answer-on-the-peoplesmuggling-payment-claims-20150615-ghnzxz.html

By refusing to answer questions the PM
allows the allegations to remain.
I may not be able to prove anything. But at the same
time you are not able to disprove it either. So we're
at a stalemate and personal accusations of each other
really have no bearing here. I may well be stubborn,
but so are you. Our stubborness has no bearing on this
matter.

It looks like we shall have to wait and see what comes out
in the wash further down the track. Pressure on the PM
from Parliament may help.

All that's happening
at present is that things are not looking good for the
Abbott-led government. If the Senate proceeds with a
call for a judicial inquiry - perhaps the truth will out.
Until then name calling doesn't achieve much.

Here are all the laws Australia is breaking if it pays
human traffickers to keep migrants away:

http://qz.com/428105/all-the-laws-australia-is-breaking-if-it-pays-human-traffickers-to-keep-migrants-away/

Dear ConservativeHippie,

Here is another link that may help you understand
why this issue is such an important one:

http://www.theage.com.au/comment/abbott-government-acts-as-law-unto-itself-to-stop-boats-strip-citizenship-20150617-ghprjt